Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yes.
New Speaker (00:00):
I'm
sorry. It's Mr. Cordell phoning up. I've been asking for you to phone me back,
but I'm not being able to get through to you.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I
haven't received any messages.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I've
got lots, I have recorded loads and transcribed loads up.
New Speaker (00:13):
Oh.
New Speaker (00:13):
If
you go to my website, horrific corruption. And you go just to like Simon's case
files and you go to audio in horrific corruption.com. If you scroll down, you
will see loads of audios, all the audios, all the end of them are phone calls
that I've made to you. I've transcribed them up.
New Speaker (00:32):
You
have left messages.
New Speaker (00:32):
Loads
of them, loads and loads and loads and loads.
New Speaker (00:35):
Oh,
gosh.
New Speaker (00:35):
Yeah.
I've transcribed them. It looks terrible. What you're doing to me.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
But
Mr Cordell hang on a second. Hang on a second. Um, I wasn't aware of that.
There is obviously a problem there is obviously a problem with my phone because
I've spoken to you quite a few times. Haven't I,
Speaker 1 (00:53):
In
the ones that I have got I have phoned up about a hundred times and I have transcribed
up most of them I've left. I've left about um, I do not know, quite a few
messages, at least 30 at least 50 60 messages for you on your number.
New Speaker (01:04):
You
have left 60 messages.
New Speaker (01:04):
Yeah,
go to Horrific Corruption.com. because my neighbours can see it now. And I'm
about to start to show everybody else because I feel like I can't take much
more from what this company has done to me yeah. Um, if you go to a Horrific
Corruption.com and you go,
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Uh,
hang on, hang on a second hang on a second. Let me just get the, uh, get the
internet up hang on one moment okay. So, let’s have a look. Okay so when I am
on the phone to you, I don't think I will be able to hear anything on the
website, but I am going to log onto it now.
New Speaker (01:55):
What
are you going to use the phone to log onto it?
New Speaker (01:55):
Let
me see if I can get onto it now.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Because
a phone Um, a mobile phone doesn't really show everything a proper PC does
though. But if I give you some codes yeah, because, like a website link because
what's happened is I've built horrific corruption and in-building horrific
corruption with Wix you're not allowed to host the files in Wix because of the
sizes of them so, I have had to go and get a server because they were going to
charge me like £1,400 pounds because of the size of the files.
New Speaker (02:23):
Right.
New Speaker (02:23):
So,
I've got the server here now. And um, basically I've loaded up loads of stuff
onto my server. I haven't connected it into the Wix website yet. So you can't
see it, you can see a lot of stuff in the Wix website, but you can't see all of
the new books and you can't see all of the diary, my diary, which I've been
keeping every day and working out what's actually happened here. But
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So,
New Speaker (02:49):
So,
Mr. Cordell I have got into Horrific Corruption.com
Speaker 1 (02:53):
And
you go to Simon's cases and under Simon's case,
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I
haven't, I haven't got that far yet. It's frozen. Oh, it's started again. Yep.
Okay. oh, no it frozen. Uh, yeah. Okay. So
New Speaker (03:05):
Under
Simon's cases is all of the stuff that.
New Speaker (03:09):
Yeah.
Yep. I can see that.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Is
all the stuff that has happened.
New Speaker (03:13):
Audio
evidence
New Speaker (03:13):
Under
audio evidence? If you scroll down.
New Speaker (03:15):
Yeah.
New Speaker (03:15):
If
you scroll down to audio evidence, click on audio evidence and you just scroll
down, there is some pictures, but if you just scroll down and you start to see
at the bottom of all of the stuff Audio evidence in date order when you get to
it?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I'm
clicking on audio evidence, but nothing's happening
Speaker 1 (03:33):
It
might just take a second for your computer to except it
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah.
I mean, I certainly, am not saying that you didn't phone me. That's differently
not what I'm saying. I'm saying that I ‘am not getting the messages.
New Speaker (03:44):
I don’t
understand why.
New Speaker (03:44):
And
that's really a problem and I need to talk to my IT department.
New Speaker (03:48):
Can
I give you?
New Speaker (03:48):
To
find out
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Have
you got a pen and paper handy? Just handy to yourself.
New Speaker (03:54):
I
have yes.
New Speaker (03:54):
Um,
my server where I'm hosting the files on my server that is separate place at
the moment and I'm going to put that right. I have to put "Https" do
you know the S at the end, when you've got a link, a website link, they have an
S at the end of it, that's like the highest security. I just have to pay a
little bit more money to a company.
New Speaker (04:12):
Ok.
New Speaker (04:12):
Then
I'm allowed to get an S put onto my server. Then I'm allowed to put them files
inside of my website, Wix.
New Speaker (04:18):
Right.
New Speaker (04:18):
So,
what I've had to do is I've got this thing called um, server, S .E .R. V .E .R,
server one, O.N.E.
New Speaker (04:25):
YEP.
New Speaker (04:25):
.
Hop, H. O. P " T O" hopto.org.
New Speaker (04:37):
Hmm,
hmm.
New Speaker (04:37):
And
that will show, when you write that linking in on its own. What will happen is
it will show my newspaper, which is part of my new company, which I'm planning
to launch in a minute from,
New Speaker (04:48):
Right.
New Speaker (04:48):
I'm
going to basically use the information that's happened. I've got here. But if you,
if you write server one.hopto.org and then put a forward slash on it and you
write diary, D .I. A. R. Y,
New Speaker (04:59):
Yeah
New Speaker (04:59):
and
a percentage and a percentage sign. Then what you'd write is 20.
New Speaker (05:05):
Yeah
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And
then after that I started with 200. So, 20200 will bring up an index of, um, an
index of the email diary. So, all the correspondence between the council and my
mum and the police, and that what it will do is bring up an index?
New Speaker (05:25):
Right.
New Speaker (05:25):
So,
what you do after that is where it says 200 at the end, at 20200,
New Speaker (05:31):
Yeah.
New Speaker (05:31):
you'd
bring it up to 2200. And let me just quickly get it up the first, the first
one, 201. So, what you'd write is diary percentage sign, 200.
New Speaker (05:42):
Yeah.
New Speaker (05:42):
and
you would change the 200 to 201, then you change the 200 to two 202, 203, 204.
do you know what I ‘am on about?
New Speaker (05:52):
Yeah.
New Speaker (05:52):
and
basically,
New Speaker (05:53):
Yeah,
New Speaker (05:53):
let
me just get it so that I can show, get it, make sure that I'm one hundred
percent correct. Um, if it's all right, because I've been trying to contact you
because I've done all the work that you've asked me to do, and I can prove
absolutely everything, it is horrifying what I can prove. If I click, um, diary
2012, for instance, what you would want.
New Speaker (06:13):
Right.
New Speaker (06:13):
is
diary, percentage sign 202012 so it'd be 2012 after the 20 and now that will
bring up my diary for 2012. Then if you write, um,
serverone.hopto.org/diary%202013 that will bring up 2013. If you write um
server.org um, serverone.hopto.org/diary%202013.
New Speaker (06:28):
Hold
on, I got serverone O.N.E
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah.
That's correct. And then you'd have,
New Speaker (06:53):
Perfect.
hopto
Speaker 1 (06:56):
.hopto
that's correct, .org.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yep.
.org So, org and then forward slash diary.
New Speaker (07:01):
Yeah.
New Speaker (07:01):
Then
percentage.
New Speaker (07:01):
If
you,
New Speaker (07:01):
20.
New Speaker (07:01):
20201
or 20202, now the 2012 at the end will represent 2012. And if you leave the 20
at the end.
New Speaker (07:17):
Right.
New Speaker (07:17):
And
if you just take the 2 away and change the two and put that to a 3 at the end
of it, that will bring 2013 up, if you put a four at the end of it 2014, that
will bring up 2014 and so forth, you can keep going upwards, now another code,
which is what the server has at the moment is for all of the actual books of
what everyone's done. So, the email books themselves and all of the application
books. So, to get to that, there's a separate code. You'd still write.
New Speaker (07:45):
Sorry
Mr. Cordell can you forgive me just one moment? What do you mean by email
books? You just mean folders or,
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Okay,
well, what I've done is if you’re on the computer now, this is what I've done.
New Speaker (07:56):
I ‘am.
New Speaker (07:56):
Say
that, um, my mum and use lot sent over 4500 emails to each other. Yeah, and
Lemmy and everyone did so, I've got all the emails of my mum.
New Speaker (08:09):
Right.
New Speaker (08:09):
and
I've got all my personal emails and I've basically created a flip book for it,
which I can put online. Now,
New Speaker (08:18):
Right.
New Speaker (08:18):
When
you watch, when you write this, if you write serverone.hopto.Org forward slash,
and then you write email percentage sign,
New Speaker (08:29):
Err,
hang on a second hang on a second, hang on one moment
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Because
then everyone can start to.
New Speaker (08:31):
Email
New Speaker (08:31):
Yeah,
then you write
Speaker 1 (08:39):
20
then book, then book.
New Speaker (08:43):
Book,
yes.
New Speaker (08:43):
Then
percentage, sign 200. Now that I bring up the index for the, for the, um, email
diary, which has all the emails. Yeah. So that's why; to keep it easy because
I've been showing my neighbour’s what's going on. If I, if I wrote, um, like
for instance, I've got the first Asbo. If I wrote first Asbo and labelled it
first Asbo it would say first Asbo and it is hard to show everyone. So, what
I've done is I've just kept the email percentage, 20 book percentage sign and
then at the 200 what you do, where it says 200. You'd go; give me one second.
I'm just going to get it up myself so I can make sure I'm a hundred percent
correct. You'd go 201 instead of the 200. So, you'd write email percentage,
sign, 20 book percentage, sign 201
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Now
that's going to bring the first email book up. The index is at 200 for it, right.
New Speaker (09:40):
Now,
if you want to go to the next book, you'd write email percentage, sign 20 book
percentage sign 202 and then if you want to go to the next book, 203, 204 205,
New Speaker (09:51):
Ok.
New Speaker (09:51):
And
now you can keep going up wards and what will happened is you're going to;
there is something like about 18 books in total from the first Injunction
Order, the second Injunction Order the first Possession Order. The second
Possession Order, the Asbo itself, that the Council made the, um, the second
Asbo the Response Bundle for the Asbo the Skeleton Argument. So, they are all
in their own separate books.
New Speaker (10:22):
Right.
New Speaker (10:22):
Then
what I've done is took all of the information from all of them emails and from
all of them books and applications. And I put them in date order in my diary,
which I gave you the first link for diary. do you understand what I am on
about?
New Speaker (10:34):
Yes.
Yep, yep, yep, I understand
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So,
if you just went like Um, email percentage, 20 book, percentage 20, and I think
six, 206 it will bring up the first Asbo. Then 207 will bring up the next book
behind it and so forth like that. So that,
New Speaker (10:58):
Right,
Ok.
New Speaker (10:58):
that
code right now, so basically that's all of everything that everything use lot
have served me and all of the emails that went across, then I made.
New Speaker (11:08):
Hmm,
hmm.
New Speaker (11:08):
Then
my mum got blanked for 16 months because Dawn Allen, the neighbourhood office
team, which the Council's in charge of, she decides; my mum was messaging her,
asking her to protect me from my neighbour’s, they blanked me Dawn Allen,
Jackie Guppy and Louise Brown all blanked all blocked my mum never talked to
her on the email's for 16 months. Then all of a sudden, one of the neighbour’s,
Debbie, who is Deborah Andrews who lived above me. That was banging and I got
loads of recordings of this. Yeah. Who was attacking me? She was outside the
front of the block and I've walked out my block and I've walked behind her. She
turned around and she was so guilty for what she had been doing to me. She
screamed really loud. Me and my mum wrote a letter straight away to Jackie Gubbie
and Dawn Allen on the emails that they hadn't been replying on. And we told
them that, um, basically what had happened, I'd walked behind Deborah and I
have known Deborah for years, it's never been a problem, but because what she's
been doing to me recently, she must've been felt. She felt guilt and screamed.
Dawn Allen decided to tell my mum, they all message my mum back on the email on
when, the ones that they hadn't been answering from after 16 months, because
they fought, they had something, they fought, I'd done something to Deborah and
they fought now we've got something we can get Simon in trouble for.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
So
basically because of that,
New Speaker (12:25):
Right.
New Speaker (12:25):
they've
emailed my mum back on the emails that they'd been blanking my mum for 16
months. But at the same time, Dawn Allen sent; my mum sent in a letter
explaining, well, Simon just walked behind that and explained everything away.
Then Dawn Alan's decided to log into the doctor's computers and talk to the
doctors behind my mum's back on the same day. And she was too faced in a sense,
she said to my mum, she's going to resolve the problems for the past 16 months.
She's been blocking all the emails and that, but then she's talking to the
doctors and she's saying, Oh, we're in trouble with Simon, do you have any
history on Simon? And the doctors are like, no, no one has any history on
Simon. He's not known on any computers then Dawn Allen is like we're in a lot
of trouble here. And then the doctors have said, Oh, well, now, now, now Simon can
see things he's delusional. And the rest of it Dawn Allen start asking for the
doctors to come to my house and do a mental health assessment. I hadn't even
met her before in my whole life. All my mum had done is message her for 16
months. And then all of a sudden doing that as message, because she thought she
had something on me. Yeah, now, basically all the doctors got agreed to come.
She's asking them to bring, bite back spray, to spray my dog I got a gate
inside my front door can the police knocked my front door and the rest of it to
get in the house. She's agreeing with the police and all the doctors to meet on
Shaftsbury Avenue. So, they can come in and do an assessment. I've never met
none of them at this stage and I haven't done anything wrong then basically
what happens from there is she, she knows because she's been, my mum's been
getting blocked. Two days before she done that, I had, um, some police. The
police come to my house or something like that and I had recording equipment
all in my house. So, the police were aware that I was recording anything like
anybody who come into, my house was being recorded.
New Speaker (14:09):
Yeah.
New Speaker (14:09):
So,
they told Dawn Allen and Jackie Gubbie, Simon's got recording equipment in his
house and they didn't want to come and meet the doctors that they had arranged
to come to my house. So, stead they sent Louise Brown in her place because they
knew if they sat in the same front room, my mum come to the other meeting just
two days prior. So, they knew my mum was going to be in the front room. Me in
the front, my front room was going to have recording equipment. And we were
going to say, well, this is your fault because you've avoided this for 16
months. Here is some evidence of what my neighbours have been doing to me. So,
they sent, they sent Louise Brown in her place on stead. From that day there,
New Speaker (14:45):
Right.
New Speaker (14:45):
everyone
Started the next day all of the doctors are talking in the forum with them, all
the Enfield Council and they have agreed that they need to make a history for
me. So, they started Scaring
Speaker 2 (14:56):
When
Louise Brown came to your property, were the doctors there as well.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah,
the only reason Louise Brown come to my house.
New Speaker (15:03):
Yeah,
yeah.
New Speaker (15:03):
is
because Dawn Allen herself had messaged the doctors and told the doctors are this
Simon. Um, she's having problems with Simon's mother emailing her. Can the
doctors come and basically take me out? The doctors come, she knew she and
Jackie and Louise Brown Um, and um, no, Jackie Gubbie and Dawn Allen both knew
they couldn't attend because my mum would be present. And my mum had good
evidence for the 16 months prior of what they had been ignoring. And that
Deborah's already got mental health issues. The person that they were trying to
say now is the victim Now, what happened? Because of that, they sent Louise
Brown in her place. Louise Brown met all of the doctors on Shaftsbury Avenue,
just over there.
New Speaker (15:46):
then
they came to your property.
New Speaker (15:46):
They
all come into my house. Yeah.
New Speaker (15:48):
They
all came inside yeah,
New Speaker (15:48):
And
they done this massive assessment on me. Yeah.
New Speaker (15:52):
Right.
New Speaker (15:52):
And
this is all because of Enfield Council and the neighborhoodlike office teams have
forced this assessment and because I've been asking them to protect me for 16
months and my mum was sending the emails asking them. So basically.
New Speaker (16:02):
Right.
New Speaker (16:02):
I've
got the recording of that assessment, which is in audio recordings, which I
just showed you roughly,
New Speaker (16:08):
OK.
yeah, ok.
New Speaker (16:08):
where
is.
New Speaker (16:08):
yeah.
New Speaker (16:08):
So,
all the audience or the assessment or every assessment I've ever had. I've never
been found as Mental ill.
New Speaker (16:13):
Right.
New Speaker (16:13):
they've
never every time I've been put in a hospital because of all of this, they've
never been able to find me ill. Do you know at no point have I ever been ill,
or have I ever been found guilty for any of these offences I've been accused of
in any court of law?
New Speaker (16:27):
OK.
New Speaker (16:27):
I'm
an innocent person till date and all of the claims were fabricated to have a
negative effect on my life. And now basically,
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You
know, these emails that your mum was sending.
New Speaker (16:42):
Yeah.
New Speaker (16:42):
For
sixteen months.
New Speaker (16:42):
yeah.
New Speaker (16:44):
What
was she saying?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
She
was explaining that basically I've lived here since 2006.
New Speaker (16:50):
Yeah.
New Speaker (16:50):
She
put an FOI into the Councils computers at the same time and in the FOI
"Cough sound" sorry. the reply come back. I've got the FOI here in
the, in the books. It said that I'm not knowing on the council's computers.
There's no history in my name, all that is in the Council's computer is my
housing benefits and the rest of it. And some of the letters for a support team
that helped me when I was younger and that Tulip.
New Speaker (17:14):
Okay.
New Speaker (17:14):
Now,
all of a sudden, my mum's writing complaints to them so, Jeffrey Oman who was
Dawn Allen’s team leader, he wrote a reply back to my mum, a letter to my mum.
And he said, he's checked the computers as well. And that there's no history in
my name prior one previous offence. That's what he said. There was only there
has only ever been one complaint about me prior. Now that one complaint about
me, he never explained what that complaint was and the reason he didn't explain
what that compliant was is, because he made it up with Dawn Allen and that,
that was them lot pretend like even though they had never met me, they, they
try to swindle it and turn me into the perpetrator. Like I had done something
to Deborah. They called the doctors in knowing that I hadn't done that.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Sorry.
Can we go back one second please?
New Speaker (18:01):
Go
on.
New Speaker (18:01):
So,
your mum's sending these emails for 16 months.
New Speaker (18:05):
Yeah,
that's correct.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
What
was she saying?
New Speaker (18:07):
She
was explaining that my life that, my life, has gotten put in danger by my neighbour’s
in so many words.
New Speaker (18:12):
Right
ok.
New Speaker (18:12):
that
I'm being, I'm being badly attacked in my home. And that she feels that this is
unfair. It's a breach of my human rights and that it's a criminal offence. What
these people are doing to me because physical or mental torture even if it like
physically. If like you're a woman and it's a domestic violence um, a Domestic
problem. Um, if I, if I li up some men, I'm not like that. If some men try to
undermine a woman, sometimes they might not hit the woman, but it's as bad as
bad as when they're undermining them.
New Speaker (18:45):
I
understand that.
New Speaker (18:45):
So,
do you understand.
New Speaker (18:45):
Yeah,
I do, yeah, I do.
New Speaker (18:45):
So,
they are saying that Physical or Mental. If someone's hitting you physically,
that still counts as a criminal offence. Or if someone's doing something like
that to you that still counts as a criminal offence under our Human Rights. So,
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So,
your mother basically was saying to the Council over 16 months. She was
emailing them saying, I'm really concerned about the neighbours.
New Speaker (19:09):
Yes,
please protect.
New Speaker (19:09):
Were
Simon lives because they are causing him harm.
New Speaker (19:13):
Yeah,
yeah, basically,
New Speaker (19:14):
Is
that a fair.
New Speaker (19:14):
yep.
New Speaker (19:14):
Yeah,
that's ok, I understand that.
New Speaker (19:14):
She
is saying, please protect my son. Please protect my son from what's going on.
We have video evidence. We have audio evidence of him being attacked in his
home, Dawn Allen and that blanked the emails for 16 months. Then I've walked
out behind Deborah. One of the people that was doing it, she screened.
New Speaker (19:31):
Yep.
New Speaker (19:31):
Debora's
um, Debora had a care worker with her at the time because she's mentally ill. So,
one of our care workers was there. The care worker must've contacted the
Council and the neighbourhood office team and said Simon um, Debora um, I just
see Simon walk up behind Deborah and Deborah has just screamed and my mum. So,
Dawn Alan replied back to my mum for the first time of the same emails. And so,
did Jackie Gubbie and that and they said, Ah, we, um, Simon, basically Simon,
Simon's just done this to one of our clients and all the rest of it.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
My
mum wrote a letter saying, Oh, that's a load of rubbish like. Simon has only
walked behind somebody. And then.
New Speaker (20:10):
Hmm,
New Speaker (20:10):
and
then what Dawn Allen done is Dawn Allen decided to move Deborah out of the
house for a little while. Then they've moved Deborah back into the House and
they know that Deborah had her two light-skin, Deborah had two or three
children. And they were all taken off Deborah because Debra's a bad alcoholic.
She's been an alcoholic since she was a child since she was younger. So, they,
they know that they have left Deborah, they moved Deborah into a hotel. Then
they moved Deborah back in and let Debra start to attack me even more again.
And my mum's writing to them. So, everything was really vicious, what they were
doing to me, even though they had never met me or I hadn't ever done anything
wrong, now, a year later. Lemmy start at work. And Lemmy has basically Lemmy
started working with Civic in B block Civic Centre. And but you've got remember
at the same time, Steven Elsmore works in the civic centre and Stephen Elsmore
forged the whole Asbo, yeah, so I'll be put on curfew and locked into my house
for forged Asbo. Stephen Elsmore is basically a police office, uh, that's in
the civic centre and his attached to the Safer neighbourhood's office team.
He's been getting lots of phone calls about Southbury Road and the old man
building opposite the Southbury Rd train station that got all graffiti over it.
Now the council owned that building I got all the newspaper article's proven
this. Now that is the Council's building until they sold it just recently. Now,
New Speaker (21:29):
Right.
New Speaker (21:29):
he's
been getting lots of phone calls and I'm on curfew for this other case a Gazebo
cases that I won. eventually now what's happened is some of my friends have
thrown a party.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Over,
um, in next to Lincoln road and I haven't been out for over a year because I
just won another case that gazebo case that I've got arrested for handling
stolen goods or something. They come in my back garden and picked up the Gazebo
out of my back garden. And I said, I stole it. So, I got put on bail conditions
for the year and for like six months waiting for trial. When the six months I
went for the trial for the gazebo case, they basically, um, extended it for
another six months. So, I got upset saying, well, this is long Like I know I'm
going to win the case. I'll be locked in my house on a year for bail
conditions. So, I phoned up doctor Javas it's opposite silver street and went
over there and brought him my evidence and said I'm going to win this case. And
the police have just extended the trial period for another.
New Speaker (22:25):
Who
are Doctor Javas?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
He
was just some Doctor, um, in, in the silver street clinic opposite the civic centre.
New Speaker (22:33):
Okay.
New Speaker (22:33):
Now
I just went to him and I spoke to him in person and he didn't. He said that
there's nothing wrong with me. He just said that, um, he just took.
New Speaker (22:42):
Is
he your Doctor?
New Speaker (22:42):
what
he was is a mental health person. So
New Speaker (22:46):
Okay.
New Speaker (22:46):
So,
basic basically in 2013, there was girl’s birthday, birthday party. I throw. Um,
I got told that she wanted to hire a sound system. I agreed to hire a sound
system. The party initially started outside the police come and shut the party
down from outside. And the party got moved just up, up to a different location.
Um, somehow.
New Speaker (23:07):
Right.
New Speaker (23:07):
I
got accused of taking a gazebo from the new location. Yeah. And basically, the
police come to my house and nicked me for the gazebo. Now I got put on bail
conditions for six months waiting for trial.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Um,
I knew I was going to win the case because I could prove that I had the receipt
for my gazebo and everything else. And I bought it in good faith and I bought
it from a correct normal correct shop. Yeah. Then basically when I went to
trial, the police extended it and the court said for an extra six months. So,
I've got upset. Like this is ruining my life a year, like 2013 up to 2014. This
was like the 10th, 2018 to 10th 2014. Then basically because of that, I went to
Doctor Jarvis opposite the silver street opposite the Civic Centre and I spoke
to him and I said to him, well, this is unfair. What they are doing to me? And
I feel that it's making me have depression and anxiety and I'm having my life
taken away from me and being punished as an innocent person when I shouldn't
be.
New Speaker (24:06):
Right.
New Speaker (24:06):
Na,
He just wrote a little letter saying that this isn't right. And that got put
into my, um, medical notes, um, on Rio, the doctor's notes, a little note that
I met Dr. Jarvis and he said that, um, Simon was upset and anxious because of
this court case and the rest of it. I won the court case after a year. I went
out
Speaker 2 (24:30):
About
the Gazebo.
New Speaker (24:32):
Yeah,
about the Gazebo.
New Speaker (24:32):
or
about the um.
New Speaker (24:33):
Yeah,
about the Gazebo.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Case.
And I went out, um, I lost my partner because of the year on curfew, I was on
bail conditions. I'm not allowed to leave my house after eight o'clock in the
afternoon, till six in the morning, I had to sign on at the police station at
four o'clock every single day. So, I had to be at the police station by three
o'clock in the afternoon, back at home. I had to be back at home by eight
o'clock. I was on curfew to six in the morning. So, I was you like that for
like six, seven hours a day throughout the whole of the gazebo case, they took
my passport or for me, and kept it at Edmonton Police Station after winning the
case.
New Speaker (25:12):
Right.
New Speaker (25:12):
After
a year, they, the police got upset, they completely set me up in the case and
I've got all the case files, which prove like they really tried to set me up. So,
I basically, um, after that my partner walked out the door, like say at nine at
night, one night, my partner from the child and I couldn't go out my front door
and chase her do you know? Sort of thing I was stuck on the curfew. So, I lost
my partner because of the stress it put on us both. eventually after the gazebo
case.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Do
you know the Gazebo case what did Enfield do? Sorry Mr. Cordell do you know the
gazebo what did Enfield do is this all a police matter.
New Speaker (25:45):
That
there was more of a police matter.
New Speaker (25:45):
Right
ok.
New Speaker (25:45):
But
what the Enfield Council has done is lived off the back of that for a second,
because of what's happened is I won the case and I've gone out and met a new
partner. Me and my partner she's agreed to me. Like after being with me for a
while, she asked me for a child, will I give her a child and everything like
that to forget my previous partner, she's the one feeding me and stuff like
that. So, me and her never argued or nothing in the middle of us; I was
sleeping with her with protection for a while. And the rest of it like that
eventually one day she come back to my home. We only come back to my flat about
three times in total. So, none of my neighbour’s ever met her. None of my neighbour’s
haven't met this girl.
New Speaker (26:30):
Okay.
New Speaker (26:30):
And
one of the times she convinced me Arr, well give Heidi and her a baby brother
and Heidi a baby brother, or sister with her, I'm forgetting my previous
partner. Who's not been there for me. So, I agreed with her. Well, we're going
to be a family now. Yeah. And I thought, well, I'm going to live with this
person for the rest of my life. Now basically what's happened is that the.
New Speaker (26:53):
Council
have come in and got involved by serving me an Asbo folder outside my front
door, the police did the Council, made the Asbo and served it to me 12 weeks
into getting off the gazebo case. Me and my new partner. Now, when I looked in
the Asbo the day that I actually met my new partner is actually inside the Asbo
for the day of 420, because I was hiring my generator to Enfield Council to do
local events in the local borough and I was hired to go to a party an event
called 420, which is up in Hyde park. I bought the generator,
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Sorry
can I ask a question, sorry, the Council served you the Asbo.
New Speaker (27:36):
Yeah.
New Speaker (27:36):
Be
really clear Mr. Cordell Why did they serve the Asbo.
New Speaker (27:38):
Why
did the Asbo. This is this. This is,
New Speaker (27:42):
what
was the exact reason for that first Asbo?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
This
is what, this is what really upset me while I was on curfew for the gazebo case,
the police, let, lots of people that I knew continue to have parties. Now I
never spoke to none of them. I was on curfew in my house for a year. Now what's
happened is Steven, Steve and this is how the Council got involved Stephen Elsmore.
New Speaker (28:06):
Yeah.
New Speaker (28:06):
Once
I got off curfew, I went out my front door because I'd lost my partner. And I
went to an event called 420 to hire my generator, which I'd been hired for.
When I got to the Gates with the generator, the police turned me away and said,
you're not allowed to come in. And I was like, well, I have been hired here I
am it is a legit event that I have been hired to, they didn't want to believe
me. So, I just took the generator back home.
New Speaker (28:26):
Right
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I'd
invited lots of friends to meet me at legit event. So, I had invited quite a
few people to turn up. They have all got down to the event of 420, but I'm
bringing the generator home. They have all told me, well, they have not seen me
for a year, anyway, they're going to throw an after party after 420. So I said
to them, I'll be; is it alright if I come down and say hello to you lot and all
of that and they said you more than welcome Si come and say hello to us, so I
went down there and that is the day that I met my new partner. I met Shannon on
that day. Now me and Shannon kept seeing each other for say 12 weeks. After
that, a bit longer than but basically at one stage. I've agreed to give her,
have a baby with her in my house on one of the three occasions that we went
there.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Sorry,
Mr. Cordell Mr. Cordell Why did "Indubitable"
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I
am explaining I'm explaining that to you right now Yeah, because it has to be
explained like this. What happened is I've come up. I've gone to, I've gone to
the, um, to the after party. And I met this new girl, Shannon, now that is one
of the first dates that is in the Asbo the 420. When I went to hire my legit
generator after getting of curfew I went to the after party and met this girl
Shannon. Then a couple of weeks later, we have agreed to have a baby or
whatever. As mad as it sounds. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
And
then basically what's happened from there is; she's eventually gone to go to
one of the clinics. Yeah. And they've said that she's got a spot on her bum.
Now, they wanted to check the spot on her bum it was next to the top of her
belt buckle a normal spot. I don't even remember it. They done a check on her a
swab on her; now, we both had to wait two weeks for the results to come back. So,
I couldn't blame her. She couldn't blame me. So, we've never argued. We just
stayed together. And we started decided to go back out a few more times. Now I
went to one or two other parties with her. And as I have turned up to one of
the parties what is on Lincoln Rd the police were at the gates now, the police
tried to speak to me and asked me my name. And I told them, this has nothing to
do with me this event I'm just attending to say hello to some old school
friends and that
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Right.
New Speaker (30:37):
Now,
nothing happened that day. Now, next week after that, there's another party
which was on Mill Marsh lane. Yeah. Which is just next to Brims down McDonald’s?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
And
the police officer has blocked the top of the road corded of the top of the Rd
So, people can’t get down the Rd half a mile down the Rd to the party.
Somewhere in the Asbo and this is how I know this because it is all wrote in
the Asbo a police officer got his hand cut. Now, the police officers have all
lost their temper and the next I've already lost their temper. And the next day
the Asbo was created by Steven Elsmore in the Civic Centre. Now what's the
reason.
New Speaker (31:12):
Steven
Elsmore is a community police officer.
New Speaker (31:16):
Yeah.
Yeah, community police officer.
New Speaker (31:16):
Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
New Speaker (31:16):
Now
what’s actually happened after that is, um, Steven Elsmore has basically gone
and created a Cad, took a Cad out of the police computers and he's gets a
unique number with the date on it. Now he's what he's done is he's wrote the
Mill Marsh Lane as the first offence, which is easy to tell because of the dates.
And then he's gone into the history and gone into my personal history and gone
back to 2010. This is in 2014, and he's found a party to do in Canary Wolf that
got NFA by the police. He's took the information. What he'd done is he couldn't
use that information because of it belongs to a police officer out of this
Borough up in Canary Wolf. So, what he's done is he took all of the information
out of the, uh, of the original Crimit, took another Crimit out after the Mill
Marsh Lanes Crimit and put all of the information into that.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
He
changed the police officer's name, which I can prove. because I've got a real
copy of my PNC out of the police records. And he changed all of the copper's
names in it. Now he owns a new Crimit, which is 50 after. So, say, um, the
unique number from Mill Marsh Lane is 2678; now the Canary Wolf. One is 50
after that which is impossible because it was four years prior. Yeah.
New Speaker (32:35):
Yeah,
Ok,
New Speaker (32:35):
It's
a completely different number. Yeah. Now what his done is after that, he's found
something about Ray or something, but I never got some nightclub on that. And
he's decided.
New Speaker (32:45):
Sorry.
New Speaker (32:45):
There
was something about once I was hiring a nightclub and through the night club
being hired, something like that. I gave the keys back to the club and
everything. Then something happened to the club. Some stuff went missing.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I
had nothing to do with that because I was on the gazebo case. But now Steven Elsmore
has gone into my notes, in 2010 and took the Cannery, took the information out
of the Canary Wolf. Proper Crimit and created a new one, put that in. And he's
seen that in the same year. He has seen the ray thing. Now he's used some of
that information and started to put that into the thing, which brought this ray
gentlemen into it, Ray's name, into everything. Yeah. Even though I hadn't been
arrested then after that he's continued going forward and he has found another
Cad of whenever, say you're a known person in, in, in to the police, in an
area. What they tend to do is if a police officer pulls you over, they will
create a Crimit saying oh, that we pulled this person over on this day and he
talked to us. So, one day I was driving from my mum's house on a Thursday at 12
midday, I'm in my normal car.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I
was driving down Alma road two, one, road down from my house, coming back from
my Nan, from seeing my Nan because she had cancer, and she was at my mum's
house. So, I got pulled by four police officers under-covers in my car. Now
they started talking to me and asking me what I'm doing. I've told them, I'm
building a festival. I've just been buying some, some new sound equipment,
doing the paperwork. And that and now what he's done is he found Steven Elsmore
found, that Crimit afterwards. And what he'd done is he's opened up the Crimit,
because it says opened on it, which is illegal. It's called Tampering with
evidence and he's put, omitted loads of extra information into it. Yeah. And
now he started saying, Arr, Simon is a black boy on the block. Simon said he
was running black boy occupations. Now this is just me in my car on a Thursday,
driving down Alma Road at 12 mid-day with nothing on me, no sound equipment, no
nothing.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Now
he's put that into the Asbo as well now. So, I don't see how, how he can
prosecute me for that. Now he has eventually got to the day of um, Lincoln
Road. When Southbury when the adults were in Southbury the old man building
while I was on curfew for like six months prior. And then what he's got to on
the same day, where there was another party on Lincoln road, which is next to
the BMW factory. Now what he's done is Steven Elsmore, while I was on curfew
for the gazebo case, Steven Elsmore was getting loads of messages off the local
neighbour’s at Southbury Road, complaining about the adults in the building.
And it's all in the Asbo. And the police couldn't go into the building or the
Council couldn't get their own building back off them because there was a
fragile roof in the old man building.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
And
the police said, if they done a risk assessment, if they went into the
building, people could run to the top floor and fall through the roof and it
could cause a potential hazard.
New Speaker (35:30):
Yep.
New Speaker (35:30):
So,
the police couldn't or nobody could do nothing about the old man. Building even
low the Council are the owners of it, so Stephen Elsmore was getting loads of
phone calls while I'm on curfew, for the Gazebo case and he's very upset about
it, but then I've come off a curfew. I've gone over to Lincoln road to see my
mates because they're gone to have a party over there. And the police have
talked to me. Now, what happened is next doors to that the Steven James
building. Just there is a brand-new police patrol centre that I didn't know was
there? Now. What happens is a PC shink was inside of that patrol centre.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Cad
10471 and what he actually does is he makes a phone call to Bow Met CCC while
he's on work. It says staff on duty Pc Shnick he makes the nine, nine, nine
call. He says, a, party has just started beside me on Lincoln road. Can you
send some police out to it? So, the Bow CCC send a load of police out and what
Pc Shink says is I think I can see Simon Benjamin. I can see Si and Tyrone
Benjamin. My brother was in hospital because he had a motor bike crash.
New Speaker (36:35):
Sorry.
New Speaker (36:36):
Say
that I beg your pardon is that you because I thought you were Simon. Cordell
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I
am Simon. Yeah, my brother yeah, my dad's surname is Benjamin.
New Speaker (36:40):
Who
is Simon Benjamin?
New Speaker (36:40):
My
Dad's surname is Benjamin and I went to school in Benjamin.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Oh,
I beg your pardon ok Simon Benjamin and Simon Cordell there both there your names
your names.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Yeah,
my dad's surname is Benjamin.
New Speaker (36:53):
Yep.
New Speaker (36:53):
and
I went to school in Benjamin. I've always had my birth certificate as Simon
Cordell because my uncle Andrew is gay. and I'm the last Cordell. I'm the last
male Cordell. So, I'm supposed to carry the Cordell family on my mum was scared
when she was younger. My dad might take me or something like that. So, she kept
me in her surname. Now basically I went to school in Benjamin. The same as my brother,
my brother and sister were real Benjamin's because their names; their names
were put in that. I'm the only Cordell. Now basically what's happening
Speaker 4 (37:24):
So,
Pc Shinik said that he saw you.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
He
saw Simon Benjamin at the party from inside of the police patrol centre. When
he's on the phone to Met Bow CCC. Now the Bow Met CCC sent a load of police out
they come and talk to me, come and talk to me. As I was walking into the; up to
the Gates, a load of police officer saw me and the council officers. And they
talked to me and said, is this your party Simon? I said, no, l have just come
to say hello to a few people, and I've been on curfew for a year, like leave it
out and that sort of thing. And I'm um, with Shannon. Yeah. I picked Shannon up
from South London to bring her over, so, we can both go and say hello to a few
friends. Now.
New Speaker (38:02):
Hm.
New Speaker (38:02):
Now,
nothing happened that week. And I never knew that Pc Shnick made that phone
call from the patrol centre.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
But
the following week after that Mill Marsh Lane happens and the copper gets his
hand cut PC, Steven Elsmore crates, the Cad. Then he goes to 2010. He takes the
information out of that and puts it into another Cad after 50 after Mill Marsh
Lane, which is illegal. Finds me driving down the road on Alma road. I'm in my
car on, on the Thursday, puts that into the application, finds another case
that. Now what he does. He finds like six case normal things I'm doing on
normal days. And he changed any, any police officer that's out of this Borough,
he changes the police officer's name and opens up a new Cad for them and puts
all the information into the new Cad, changing all their names, like Brown A,
Brown B, Brown C and stuff like that Yeah, not when he finally gets to the
Lincoln Road event when Steve Elsmore um, PC Shnick, has made the phone call
and he adds that into the, into the application saying I basically that, um, I
was running the party and it was my party.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Now,
what Steven Elsmore also does is he, the week prior to Lincoln Road party
happened and Southbury Road, party happening when I went there, is Steven
Elsmore was getting phone calls prior to that, like I was saying, while I was
on curfew, he takes all of the phone calls prior and he puts them all into the
application, blaming me for all of the; using all of them nine, nine, nine
calls for the months prior, blaming me for it all. Yeah. Um, saying, I've
thrown this party over there and all of these calls are for that one day. Yeah.
Now what he does then, then basically from doing that, he forgot when he was
putting the information in he forgot to take the grid, reference numbers out,
so, when you put the grid, reference in like X to Y into Google, it shows the
old man building and, and he forgot to take all of the victim's the people
phoning up phone numbers out. So, I phoned them and recorded them all and they
tell me, no, we phoned up about the old man building and say I don't know
nothing about Lincoln road, how can we hear music from Lincoln Road? We were
hearing the bloody music from, from over from the old man building. So Steven Elsmore
used all of the previous Cads before from before the Lincoln Road day from the parties
is in the old man, building but can you understand what I'm saying and he just
left a massive trial of evidence for me to be able to un-raffle and foe me to
be able to prove what he'd done yeah, now at the same time.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
So,
the Lincoln Rd party and the Old Man Building.
New Speaker (40:40):
Yeah.
New Speaker (40:40):
are
the same place.
New Speaker (40:40):
Are
two different places.
New Speaker (40:45):
No.
Lincoln Rd
Speaker 3 (40:48):
There
two different places.
New Speaker (40:48):
The
Lincoln road is where Steven James is, do you know where Steven James is?
New Speaker (40:52):
I
do Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
The
BMW.
New Speaker (40:54):
And
this is Yeah, yep.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
It's
behind that do you know that there is a new travel in there.
New Speaker (41:00):
Yeah,
I do.
New Speaker (41:00):
behind
the travelling. Is the police patrol building and behind the police patrol building?
New Speaker (41:04):
Right
and the old man building
New Speaker (41:04):
is
if you stand,
New Speaker (41:08):
where
is that.
New Speaker (41:08):
if
you go to Southbury Rd,
New Speaker (41:10):
Southbury
Rd,
New Speaker (41:10):
if
you go to Southbury Rd, and go up the Hill and go to the top.
New Speaker (41:12):
Yep.
New Speaker (41:12):
of
the Hill at the train station if you, bang opposite the train station,
New Speaker (41:15):
Bus
Station.
New Speaker (41:15):
there's
a massive white building there and it had all spray writing all over it. Now
that was the adults in that building while I was on curfew for the gazebo case.
Now Stephen Elsmore was getting loads of phone calls for that building the
Council are the key holders and owners of the building at the time? So, the
Council was very upset. They couldn't get the adults out of the building and
that the adults have damaged it all. Yeah. Now, what Steven Elsmore
Speaker 4 (41:41):
But
you didn't go to the old man building did you.
New Speaker (41:42):
I
was on curfew No, never, never, never not in my life.
New Speaker (41:45):
No,
you never went
Speaker 3 (41:46):
No,
I was on curfew. I was on curfew. I was on curfew for all of the dates for it.
And then I finally got off a curfew. I've gone to Lincoln road to say hello to
my friends.
New Speaker (41:56):
yep.
New Speaker (41:56):
for
the first time in a year. And Steven, Elsmore PC Shnick has made the phone call
to Bow then the following week, Marsh Marsh Lane happens. The police officer
hurts his hand. They, Stephen Elsmore w when, when PC Shinnick was writing to
Bow phoning up Bow, PC Shinick and Bow; Bow was saying to PC Shinick have you
contacted Enfield Council about this. And PC Shinnick says yeah am going to
contact them Enfield Council they say I'm going to contact Enfield Council. So,
PC Shinick contacts Steven Elsmore Stephen Elsmore has been getting phone calls
for months prior while I'm on curfew about the old man building. So, he takes
all of the calls from months prior.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Yeah,
I understand, I understand what you're saying?
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Puts
them into the application creating the Asbo.
New Speaker (42:42):
Yeah,
yeah.
New Speaker (42:42):
Now,
he forgets to take all the victims all of the people's phone numbers that were
phoning.
New Speaker (42:45):
Yeah,
I understand that. I will make a note of that.
New Speaker (42:45):
Forgets
to take all the Grid references out.
New Speaker (42:48):
Yeah,
yeah.
New Speaker (42:48):
And
then basically I'm phoning in and I'm saying, well, this is wrong. What
everyone's done to me. I've never done none of this. Now, in court I've got the
transcribes of Court PC, Steve Elsmore.
New Speaker (42:58):
I
am sorry Mr. Cordell.
New Speaker (42:58):
Go
on
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Sorry
hold on one second. So, all that information from the police that then is in
the Asbo and that's the Asbo that the Council served you is that correct.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Yeah,
the Asbo that the Council the Council made in their offices, if you look at the
Asbo its self, the flip book and you flip it open, what you'll see what is says
for an Asbo to be created they have to the Civic Centre and the local Council
and the Police have to have a meeting together and they have to have a meeting
with the victims or the people that want the Asbo. Now there never were no real
victims. There were only the people from Crown Road upset about Crown Road. No
one really phoned about Progress, Way, maybe about one person, might have phone
about progress. So now what the police officers did.
New Speaker (43:47):
Hang
on one second, hang on a second, we have got other names here
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Crown
road?
New Speaker (43:50):
Yeah.
New Speaker (43:50):
What’s
that one is it the Old Man Building?
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah,
Crown Road is opposites. Yeah. Crown road is the Old Man Building,
New Speaker (43:57):
Yeah,
yeah, that's fine.
New Speaker (43:57):
if
you, if you are at Southbury train station.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Yeah.
I know where it is.
New Speaker (44:00):
Yeah.
New Speaker (44:00):
I
just wanted to make sure that it was just one thing and that it is not another the
other Road you just said, said you said another Road then.
New Speaker (44:03):
Crown
Road and Southbury Road.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm
not too sure.
New Speaker (00:04):
No,
it was not that. Um, you are saying that there were no real victims apart from
the people phoning up from.
New Speaker (00:04):
Yeah.
New Speaker (00:04):
Crown
Rd.
New Speaker (00:04):
Yeah,
from Crown Rd.
New Speaker (00:04):
Okay
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And
what happened is um, at the Lincoln road building two seconds around the corner
from that is a road called wood grange Rd. Now what happened is Steven Elsmore
used; when Steven Elsmore, tapped into the computers. He's used all of the
police officers crimit's. So, like on Thursday when they pulled me over on Alma
Rd, he used that police officers Crimit and he opened it and edited it. So now
he's got that police officer, them police officers involved, and he's put that
in the Asbo now he's he has because they're local in the Borough, and they all
know each other, he was happy. They were all happy to work together like that.
But when he's dealing with like Canary Wharf in Cannery, he couldn't involve
them police officers in what they were doing. So, he's took the information out
of the real Crimit and, created a new Crimit
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So,
he has got control of it. Put the information in that changed the police
officer's names and everything, which I've got the criminal record which proves
that And then he's put, he's submitted that in yeah now what happened is PC
Shinick because he was the only true Victim supposedly who heard music for, for
Lincoln Road. He didn't want to attend court and say, I'm a victim while I'm on
police duty in my building, do you know what I mean? so each police officer
made up four statements each 5 different police officers made up four
statements each and all pretended that they went to different addresses on
wood-grange Gardens, which is next to Lincoln Road. Now they all done.
New Speaker (01:35):
"Indubitable"
New Speaker (01:35):
They
all done statements in a third perspective, if that makes sense.
New Speaker (01:40):
Yep.
New Speaker (01:40):
So
they are taking the statement of science and none of this, because there was no
real victims on wood grange drive each copper, just lied and said, I went to
four houses and done four different statements that none of them were ever
signed by the victims because and no victims would attend Court.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah,
now. What happened is basically I I've gone and got my Criminal record and I
can prove that all of the copper's names were changed now in, in trial, I've
got a copy of the transcripts of every court case I've been to. So at the, at
the Asbo trial, Steven Elsmore was put under oath, which is if you go to the
website and you click on the Asbo folder in Simon's cases in Simon's cases, if
you click on Simon's cases and you go to the first Asbo folder, if you scroll
down proper low, because these books are different to the other books there
these ones are flashing their baring flash, So, I've had to make the other ones
in the server in HTML, and Now, if you scroll down, there's an index there. And
then there's a heading saying that says, heading, then it takes three key
holders to complete a successful Asbo and now that gives some instructions
there. But just below that is the transcripts of the court case. Yeah. And what
actually, Steven Elsmore does under oath. He was asked by my barrister are you
sure that all of the information you've put into the Asbo isn't Crown Road, a
separate party. Now he swears under oath yeah, that everything he put in that
Asbo is all to do with Progress Way. Now, because no one really called for
progress.
New Speaker (03:13):
Progress
Way, Progress Way where is that
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Progress
Way is Lincoln Rd.
New Speaker (03:15):
That's
the word that you mentioned, right? Thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So,
you've got Southbury Road, Southbury Rd Way but Southbury Road is Crown Road.
That's the old man building. Then you've got, um,
New Speaker (03:28):
Yep.
New Speaker (03:28):
Lincoln
road off of Lincoln Road is Progress Way, which is where the other party was.
New Speaker (03:33):
Right
okay, thank you.
New Speaker (03:33):
So,
now, he was asked under oath. Are you sure that this isn't, that, that, um,
everything you've put in that Asbo folder is to do with progress way and not
crown road? Now he swears under oath that everything isn't nothing that folder
that was to do with Crown Road. Now he's forgot to take Crown Road out of all
of the Cad's now, because no one really phoned for progress Way Lincoln road.
No one really; only one, I think maybe one person might have here that I've spoken
to and he didn't want to attend court or give evidence. It's basically what
he's done. Oh, sorry. I just lost my thought of thinking, but basically because
no one attended the place.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
What
he'd done is he made up a load of Cads for Progress Way. Now he got the times
wrong on all of the Progress Way, Cads that he made up, which were making it
look like people had phoned up for progress way. And that's what w who the
police officers went to speak to on Wood grange Gardens. Now, all of the Cad's
for progress, where I've got backwards timestamps, but in all of the rest of
the Cads in the Asbo were all correct in time. But all the rest of the Cads are
saying crown road, they say, when you check or check the X to Y it's Crown Road
again, then what he's done is took a load of other parties some from Cheshunt Hertfordshire
some from Ponder End. And he's put all of them in the Asbo as well, but forgot
to take the grid references out.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So,
he used loads of anyone that phoned up on the 7th Saying Oh, we've had a part
of your music. He's used them from bushel park, from everywhere, thrown them in
the Asbo. He made up a load of Cad's for Progress Way to make it look like
people that had phoned up got the timestamps all wrong from that took all of
the before the Progress Way event, took all of the cats from Crown Road months,
a couple of days prior the week prior, and put all of that into the Asbo to
make it look really bad for me. And I can prove all of this very easily. Now I
was explaining this is highly illegal. He's modded did all of the cards. He's
done this they have forged statements. None of the signatures are on it. I'm
riding an eight-year sentence for the Asbo.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I
had to ride two years for the injunction plus five years for the Asbo itself.
So that's seven years. Plus, I read the year for the gazebo case, just prior at
12 weeks prior.
New Speaker (05:49):
Yep.
New Speaker (05:49):
So
that means I've lost eight years of my life. Like now, if you go to put this;
In the Asbo, it says the organization, a legal rave. Now that I went to court
to defend myself against the organisation of illegal raves, and I've proved my
innocence for that. No one could find any, um, criminal aspect towards it. So,
I said, well, if the application says the organisation legal raves, and you
can't prove anything illegal, then I've won the case. Basically, the summer,
they've just still decided to prosecute me and find me guilty. The maximum
sentence, if a police officer or safety unit officer did not have enough
evidence for criminal conviction to proven in illegal raves, the maximum
sentence, if you did get arrested is six months.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So,
you'd only do free months in prison. And the maximum they can give you is a 20
grand fine as well. Now they don't have enough for criminal conviction and
they've made me get seven years for that. Plus, I read a year for the gazebo
case prior, which I just won, which the Gazebo case proves that I hadn't done
anything I'd been in my house anyway. Yeah, if that makes sense. So, it's a
massive mess. Now he's got all the MP's now what's happened is because Steven Elsmore
has gone in and he's like used the Lincoln is used Alma Road on the Thursday when
I'm driving from seeing my mum at my Nan's, he's involved them police officers.
Now, the police officers have all been screaming say at their bosses, which
would have been Jane Johnson, the Borough Commander, and would have been Hogan,
Hale. Sir Barned Holgun Hale. Now, them lot are obviously concerned because
Steven Elsmore has used the Council's and Neighbourhood’s officer's powers to
use these coppers. So, now they've all gone for me to protect the coppers and
to protect Steven. And now I've suffered all of this and me. And so, as Shannon
and the rest of it, which I think is very unfair, I've been explaining that I
can prove all these things all the way through it. And they've made me ride the
whole eight or seven years for that. If you, if any person that gets a criminal
conviction, you do half of your sentence. Yeah. So, in a sense, like if my
brother got 10 years for something, he's only going to do five years, maybe
four years for that, I've had to write the whole seven years and be suffered.
So technically if you were to double them seven years, like criminal like,
that'd be a 14-year sentence, which is over a life sentence. I've just ride
yeah. Like a life sentence I've had to ride because of these forging this
paperwork, and I've lost from 32 years old, I'm 40 now I have been stuck in my
house. And I have been scared to go out the house now because Steven Elsmore
has done all of this Dawn, Steve they've created the Asbo and I'm making phone
calls, which are all in a website saying, well I can prove this, this is wrong.
This is wrong yeah. And basically, the Council has hired in um, some bloke
called Lemmy who starts working for the company. Now Lemmy decides to try to
get away from my mum, writing, about the neighbour’s attacking this is in like
2014. Lemmy start work on the 10th of 2016 Lemmy started work, but my mum.
New Speaker (09:00):
Lemmy
what sorry.
New Speaker (09:00):
On
the 10th of; On the 10th month of 2016; On the 01/10/2016, Lemmy start at work.
New Speaker (09:06):
Right
OK yeah, Lemmy 01/10/2016 right OK
New Speaker (09:08):
Lemmy
start at work for Council. Now a year prior, my mum had been writing to Dawn
Allen about, um, about Debra and Dawn Allen, had arranged for the doctors to
come and get me out of a meeting.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Right.
And that's what we were talking about earlier.
New Speaker (09:24):
Yeah,
yes. So, Dawn Allen has that and Steven Elsmore has done the Asbo on me.
New Speaker (09:29):
Yeah,
yep.
New Speaker (09:29):
Now
I'm phoning up the police station. I'm phoning up nine, nine, nine. And I'm
speaking to Bow police station and Bow Met CCC and I'm saying to Bow, I can
prove that the timestamps are wrong on that and now Bow knew that they let Pc
Shink make the phone call. So, Bow knows that they're just as involved as
anybody else. Now, Bow is screaming also at Sir Holgun Hale and at Jane
Johnson, when the, when the Asbo was made it had, like I said it has to be; the
Council, have to agree. Local council and, and the police Jane Johnson, the
Borough Commander come to the Civic Centre. She had A meeting there and she
signed the certificate, which is in the first Asbo and the Council singed a
certificate which is in the first.
New Speaker (10:11):
Who
signed it for the Council?
New Speaker (10:11):
The
council. Um, I think it was Rob Leek. I think Rob leek was in charge at the
time a gentleman called Rob leek. Yeah.
New Speaker (10:19):
He
signed it.
New Speaker (10:19):
Yeah,
they have to sign it. Yeah. It's
Speaker 4 (10:22):
So,
Rob Leek the Chief Executive.
New Speaker (10:22):
Yeah.
New Speaker (10:23):
So,
Rob Leak the Chief executive signed it. It wasn't anyone else?
New Speaker (10:24):
No.
I don't know if it was him personally.
New Speaker (10:26):
ok.
New Speaker (10:26):
that
signed it, but he was, he is in charge of, he was the main person in charge of
the building. And everything but I think if you go to email percentage,
New Speaker (10:34):
Because
I can’t open anything, all the things you've given me to open, I can't open on
my computer at all. I can open your website, but I can't open anything else and
when I go and put the information in that you gave me; it's coming up as I can’t
open anything.
New Speaker (10:51):
So,
if you put, so listen, if you, if you write the serverone.hopto.org and you
write.
New Speaker (10:58):
Yeah,
and it won’t let me, it just freezes.
New Speaker (11:04):
Arr,
it freezes.
New Speaker (11:04):
And
the internet stops.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It
just freezing and your internet stops. Okay. Well.
New Speaker (11:08):
yeah
and then I have to close the internet browser. Bring it back up again.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
We
have got the same link yeah, so serverone.hopto.org actually does that to you.
New Speaker (11:18):
Yeah.
New Speaker (11:18):
Pardon
New Speaker (11:18):
When
you write server one; server one.
New Speaker (11:23):
Serverone.hopto.org
and then the forward slash diary, it doesn't work for me. Maybe the council has
a block on it because there's certain sites we can't access.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah.
Because it might have HTTPS forward slash diary, 'm just having a look to see
if I can see it again. Um, the code to it is;
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Because
I can see your website.
New Speaker (11:53):
The
code too. It is forward slash diary.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Then
the percentage 202013.
New Speaker (12:00):
20.
New Speaker (12:00):
202013,
So, it's forward slash.
New Speaker (12:06):
I
put 12.
New Speaker (12:06):
pardon?
Yeah.12.
New Speaker (12:11):
I
put 12.
New Speaker (12:11):
So,
if you write, um, server hop to.org forward slash diary%202012, 2013 that will
bring 2013 at the end of it is just the year. So, the main code would be
forward slash diary percent 20 then the year we want like 2012, 2013 would be
13 and onwards and in the email books. And the rest of it is just email
percentage sign, 20 book, percentage sign, and then you'd write 200 and then
you'd get an index and you write 201 and 202 Now, I don't know perhaps because
it has not got HTTPs you might not be able to see it, but I have got the files
available for you to be able to get them.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
And
in the first Asbo book on, once you actually opened up the first Asbo book is
email percentage sign, 20 book percentage sign 206. Now that will open up the
first Asbo. If you're on a computer that will accept it then. And on page, um,
let me just have a quick botch, the Commission Anti-Social Behaviour Crime
& Disorder. I'm just having a quick look now. On page 10 of that one, there
is one certificate saying, signed by S. H O D G S O N signed on behalf of the
London borough of Enfield. And when it says it is here by certificate, by the London,
Borough Of Enfield the local authority and the Metropolitan Police as required
by section one, two of the Crime and Disorder Act 1990 that on the 13th of
August, 2014 the local authority and the police held a consultation meeting
together with the other relevant organisations to discuss issues concerned.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
In
the case of Simon Cordell. Now Jane Johnson, the Borough Commander signed that
and S. Hodgson Hodgson signed it.
New Speaker (14:18):
Right,
OK.
New Speaker (14:18):
H
O D G S O N. Now with them two companies, that's why I'm saying both companies
have definitely created it, without them it couldn't exist. And both companies
are involved in the fraud as much as each other. In what I've basically
explained to you, Jane Johnson, the Borough Commander, she actually left and
got put into in one of the recordings. When I was explaining it, one of the
Police Officers said, that's its Jane? Johnson's no longer running Edmonton
police station. She's in Royal Diplomatic protection as of now. Um, and then
they really went heavy for me after that do you know, they me, because they
didn't realise, I was recording them. Like I've got Sally Gilchrist, Now, the
Council when the police made it. And they gave it to a woman in Scotland yard
called Sally Gilchrist.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Now,
she is the legal director of law and governance for the whole of the UK and
Wales. So, she's the big boss for like Jeremy Chambers, is the law and
governance for Enfield Civic centre at the moment she's in charge of the whole
of London and Wales. This woman is she's the biggest Boss of it all for Law.
Now she took control of the Asbo and went to every single court case. There was
35 of them in total. Yeah. And basically, I've got recordings of her and she's
telling me down the phone, you're a dead man and she doesn't realize that I'm
recording her. Yeah. I've got recordings.
New Speaker (15:37):
Sorry
what’s her name again.
New Speaker (15:37):
Her
name is Sally Gilchrist. Now Sally Gilchrist was getting the folders and she was
given them
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And
she is police is she
Speaker 2 (15:46):
She's
Scotland yard. She's the legal director, um, for law and governance for the
whole of the UK and Wales. Now she was in charge of the case. Yeah. Um, for the
civic centre and for the police. Now I was recording. I've been recording her.
New Speaker (16:01):
And
she has telephoned you.
New Speaker (16:01):
No,
I've been telephoning her. I've been telling her.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Sorry,
you telephoned her and she said what to you down the phone
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Like,
when I'm, when I'm saying to her this illegal, use lot are holding me in my
house. I basically had the conversation I just had with yourself. Yeah. We've
heard,
New Speaker (16:15):
Yes.
New Speaker (16:15):
Trying
to explain, can we just get this squashed now sort of thing. So, I could just
go back out and live my life now she's; she saying to me, she goes to me,
you're dead, like that down the phone and you've been robbed basically. And so,
I said to her, hang on, did you just tell me I'm dead? And she's like, no, I
wouldn't say something like that to you and I was like, Oh, well, I'm glad that
I'm recording this conversation. I'm going to; when I do the transcribes to it
later. I'm going to see if you really done that to me now, I've done them
transcribes. So, she definitely does say that which is the recordings inside of
where I showed you.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Now,
when I phone Neighbourhood office team, they, they're the worst, because they
made the Asbo They get all the staff in the background to the caller centre
saying you been robbed, ha, ha, you're not allowed that ha, ha you can't go
out. You can't go out. Um, you're um, you're a dead man. You're dead, man. Now,
they, they must tell me that I am dead at least 20 times, just in each
recording. Now out of say there's 300 recordings there out of them. 300
recordings are transcribed 150 of them up. Now a hundred of them I'm being told
without people, realising that I'm recording them. You're dead.
New Speaker (17:18):
Hmm.
New Speaker (17:18):
You've
been robbed. All the neighbourhood office team loved to do it. And the civic
centre loves to do, I've got loads of recordings of the civic centre telling me
you're dead. You've been, they didn't realise I was recording them all.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Okay.
who, have you got any names of anybody?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
The
list goes on, do you know, if you,
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Because
unfortunately when I put into the, I've just tried to be, um, uh, the address.
New Speaker (17:43):
What
address.
New Speaker (17:43):
that
you gave me do you know the serverone.
New Speaker (17:45):
Yeah,
the serverone.
New Speaker (17:45):
O.N.E,
I've actually put that into my own phone. So, it’s not an Enfield device. It's
my own personal phone. And it says the site can't be reached.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
What
so, that must be that something um, somewhere, what we're explaining to each
other in the code is, uh, um, is wrong because it does definitely,
Speaker 4 (18:02):
But
I put in serverone So, I put S. E.R.V. E.R the letter, Sorry, the number one,
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Not
the number one, O N E, O. N. E. You spell it one, not the number one.
New Speaker (18:18):
Beg
your pardon Mr Cordell I am sorry I apologise
New Speaker (18:18):
I
kept saying that to you. lol.
New Speaker (18:21):
Right,
Ok.
New Speaker (18:21):
You
write serverone O .N. E -O .N .E. hopto.org.
New Speaker (18:27):
Right,
Okay, OK let’s have another go Sorry beg your pardon I thought you said server1one
but you were spelling it for me sorry.
New Speaker (18:27):
Yeah
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Let's
have a go on that then. So serverone, all one word.
New Speaker (18:40):
Yeah.
New Speaker (18:40):
Hopto.org.
then its diary% whoops [Inaudible] Uh, Diary, diary percentage 20 uh, So,
202012.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah.
just let me just quickly look.
New Speaker (19:10):
Is
that right.
New Speaker (19:10):
So,
I write, I'm just going to quickly get back up for myself. Yeah.
New Speaker (19:15):
Thank
you.
New Speaker (19:15):
I
write server S .E. R.V.E.R.O.N.E then um.hopto.org,
New Speaker (19:26):
Yep.
New Speaker (19:26):
O
R G then forward slash then you'd write diary, percentage sign 20 2012.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Okay,
hang on let me try and take that one out. Right. 12 let’s give that a go
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Now
that will bring up Simon Cordell's 2020 annual diary.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
It's
not coming up.
New Speaker (19:55):
Oh.
New Speaker (19:55):
It's
just freezing. This is on my own phone Mr. Cordell
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I
can go on my phone right now and it works straight away. um, I don't do what; hang
on
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Because
if all the information is on there and I need to send that somewhere. Obviously,
it needs to work.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
It
does as well, do you know what I think that somewhere where just and if I could
just send you a screenshot of it or something.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Could
you email me? So that I can just copy and paste.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
So,
Yeah, to the email that was in the letter that you originally gave to me.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
That's
it yeah, yep.
New Speaker (20:42):
Kayosborne@enfield.gov.uk
If you email me the um, address as you have said it to me over the phone.
New Speaker (20:42):
Yeah,
I will do that.
New Speaker (20:42):
I
can then try that again and then I can see what.
New Speaker (20:42):
What
I am explaining. yeah, you can see some of it
New Speaker (20:42):
So,
I now understand a little bit more so that all the things that this police officer
hmm, is he employed by the metropolitan police?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
When
I, phone up the civic centre in his own email, when he, when he's writing in
like the Asbo he basically says, I'm, uh, uh, I'm, uh, my name's Steven Elsmore
and I'm doing this statement for, um, I'm doing a statement. I'm a
Metropolitan, I'm a Met. I'm a police officer that is attached to the safer
neighbourhood unit and based in the civic centre. so, he's, he's actually
based. His office is in the civic centre but he's attached.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
His
not an employee of Enfield it sounds like he is a police officer for the Met
Police
Speaker 1 (21:43):
When
we phone up the Met Police, the Met Police say that he is, um, he, he belongs
to them, but when we phone up the Civic Centre and asked the Civic Centre they
do checks on the phone, they say, well, if he is based at the Civic Centre. He
belongs to the Civic Centre. If he's on the Safer Neighbourhood office team,
he's a Community Office. So, he could still be a police officer. And he could
he's he could be attached to both of these is linked to all basically. So, he's
basically that's as far as I can understand, it's a bit sceptical where, but he
says from his own,
New Speaker (22:16):
"Indubitable"
New Speaker (22:16):
he
says from his own, he says in his own statements, he's based in his office is
in the civic centre. He's attached to the Safer Neighbour office Team and he's
a police officer. So, he says all three of them,
Speaker 4 (22:27):
But
he is a police officer. He is a police officer, as far as you know,
New Speaker (22:31):
Yeah
I ‘am not too sure.
New Speaker (22:31):
he
is not a Council Officer he's a police officer
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah.
He's, he's a patrol safer patrol officer.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I
understand that being a police officer not a Council Officer, even though he is
attached to the neighbourhood policing or the neighbourhood office,
Speaker 1 (22:48):
But
if his office is inside of B block civic centre. If he's office is in there, he
definitely belongs to the civic centre.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
No,
it's not, not, not, not necessarily, not necessarily. There maybe people who
are in the, in the civic centre, um, who are not counsel employees. They may be
police officers
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Under
Joint Circular of the Equality Act 2010, under joint circular the principle of
joint circular. If he's, if he's working in, if his office is based inside of
the civic centre, he is a part of that company still. And he could also be, and
he's also a part of the safer neighbourhood team.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Well
for insurance purposes? He may not be an employee of the council.
New Speaker (23:33):
No
matter what way the Council had to.
New Speaker (23:33):
So,
he maybe under the Equality Act but I ‘am not going to advise as I do not have
enough knowledge of Equality Act to discuss that.
New Speaker (23:39):
OK,
I understand that.
New Speaker (23:39):
So,
it's not really for me to do that. He might know, but I've not yet.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Steven
Hodison is low.
New Speaker (23:50):
[inaudible],
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I'm
going to discuss it. I just want to talk about Steven Elsmore It sounds like Steven
Elsmore from what you've said to me, he's the one that's put together, all the
information he's pulled, whatever information you say from different incidents.
Some that are outside of the Borough your saying that it is him Steven Elsmore
who is changing that information.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah,
of course. The reason I say that, the reason I say that is because on every
page of Asbo, when someone has to look into the computer to get the information
out and now, his name is the log-in name at the top of every page. So, he, they
used his ID to look into create. So that's why I hold him highly responding.
He's classed as he was classed as the Asbo developed or the Creator or the
Asbo. So, I do hold him.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Okay.
So, Steven Elsmore put all this information together. Okay.
New Speaker (24:45):
Yeah,
yeah.
New Speaker (24:45):
This
is how I'm understanding. And please correct me if I'm wrong.
New Speaker (24:49):
No,
I think you are correct
New Speaker (24:49):
He
puts all this information together. He then, uh, um, uh, at some point there
was a meeting between the police and the council for them to actually put
together that Asbo and then that served on you. is that correct
New Speaker (25:05):
Yeah,
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah,
that's correct.
New Speaker (25:06):
OK.
New Speaker (25:06):
Yeah.
It goes to, it goes to Sally Gilchrist and then, then Sally handled it from
then afterwards. And then what happens is Sally will send,
New Speaker (25:14):
"Indubitable"
New Speaker (25:14):
use
lot up Sally sends use lot updates. So, for instance, I was speaking to Daniel
Ellis. Who's the head of community. Um, who's a communications man in your, in
your department, communications and complaints, Daniel Elis is, and Daniel Elis
was saying to me that they don't have Asbo folder inside of the civic centre,
they had nothing to do with it. He was trying to wash away any responsibility
or liability to which is understandable but then what happened is, Lemmy start
at work. And I told Lemmy on the phone in a conversation in one of our first
conversations, like, can you go to the Asbo folder? And can you go and look
inside of it?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
And
can you, um, have a look at some of this evidence I'm saying, and can you get
this thing sorted? Lemmy please, yeah. Now Lemmy goes to the Asbo folder. And
what he does is in one of the pages, they're quite funny. They, wrote um, in
it. If I, if I get any, if I attend court and try to do this, they're going to
hire, they're going to hire a new staff; if I; Attend court and dis us and we
will re-man. So, what they; How they done that.
New Speaker (26:18):
Sorry.
New Speaker (26:18):
Do
you know when you've got, do you know when you've got normal writing? Yeah,
like a letter or something, do you know when you scribble out a word and then
another word and you spell something else like that, Yeah.
New Speaker (26:28):
OK.
New Speaker (26:28):
That's
what they, that's what they done with a piece of paper. And they put that in
the beginning of Asbo
Speaker 1 (26:33):
And
what it says attend court and dis us and we will remind yeah, Now, That's a,
it's a, it's a threat Yeah. Now any of any solicitor I tried to get hold of to
represent me, would pick up the Asbo and open it up and they will see the
normal letter which is supposed to be some bail conditions from me. And that
you can see where the people scribbled it out and wrote this funny stuff. Now I
could never prove, because I never hold held the Council responsible at the
beginning for this? I have though Arr, it’s the metropolitan police. Let's go
from the metropolitan police, do you know like, so I'm, I'm having a go at the
metropolitan police for it. But then at the end of it, what happened is at the
end of my, at the end of the trial for the magistrates' court case, my
solicitor had a copy of, um, all of the folders.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
And
now she has to give me the folder so I can give them back to her and to my
whatever solicitor I choose to do the appeal stage because legal aid isn't
present for her yet.
New Speaker (27:33):
Yep.
New Speaker (27:33):
So,
she's like, well, you can have anyone as your solicitor. So, um,
New Speaker (27:36):
Yep.
New Speaker (27:36):
so,
you need a copy of these now. So, I went to my Solicitors office when my mum
and collected the hard-copied folders.
New Speaker (27:43):
OK.
New Speaker (27:43):
Now
in them folder, straight after Magistrates they had used the bail conditioners
and wrote them then that funny stuff attend court and dis us and we will
re-man. Now, I couldn't prove whether it was Sally or the, the police or if it
was my solicitor that had done that because my, as solicitor was so sketchy
saying, I'm not going to represent you for the appeal stage, but I've, me and
my solicitor are very close. We've known each other for many years. So, I was
quite shocked that she had got cold feet against this sort of thing and she
knew I was in the right as well because my solicitor was it was looking at the
paperwork and this is completely fraud, you'd look at the URNs. Look at this my
solicitor was showing me stuff
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Yes.
And the court forgive me. The court heard it.
New Speaker (28:25):
Yeah.
New Speaker (28:25):
heard
the evidence,
New Speaker (28:29):
Yeah.
New Speaker (28:29):
but
then the magistrate is it a magistrate
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah,
at the magistrates at the lower court,
Speaker 4 (28:35):
So
then magistrates, then sentence you,
Speaker 1 (28:39):
What
the magistrates?
New Speaker (28:41):
Five
years.
New Speaker (28:41):
They
gave me five years and I had to wait for the trial, went on the 35 say 15 there
is 35 in total but just say just say 15 for the Lower Court and the rest for
the Crown Court, for the appeal stage 15 appearances at the lower court,
through them 15 appearances. I was allowed to write one letter explaining what
had happened. So, I wrote one letter saying that I ‘am a valued member of the
community. Um, I'm, I'm key holder to my community hall I ‘am throwing local
events here, I'm doing this and doing that. You can imagine the letter, and uh,
when we went to the trial at first, the judge read the letter, she's told the
other judge, she's told them, if you read this, read the statement. And they're
like, yeah, we still want to prosecute any way. Yeah. And over ride what I have
wrote.
New Speaker (29:28):
Right.
New Speaker (29:28):
Now
the case went on for a while and when Steven Elsmore and then are getting
questioned, which is in the transcripts, in the website in the horrific
corruption under the Asbo folder when you scroll down, but see some documents.
One of the documents is the transcript Steven
Speaker 4 (29:44):
I can’t
open it.
New Speaker (29:47):
Yeah.
New Speaker (29:47):
Dot
com.
New Speaker (29:47):
Na,
can’t open anything it’s all Grey. I see Simon's cases. I can click on it. And
it's got a lot of it's got list. So, things like audio, evidence, video,
evidence, picture issues, and disrepair issues. And lots of other bits but when
I go to click on it doesn't work.
New Speaker (30:05):
I
will send you the links over then.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah.
I'll send you over the information anywhere again and the appropriate links.
And then basically what's happened is Steven Elsmore and that was under so much
pressure when they're, when they're being brought up in Court. At first no
Judge would hold the case. So like Sally's trying to get some conditions on me
because she's only served outside my front door and now.
New Speaker (30:28):
And
that’s the police.
New Speaker (30:28):
Yeah,
Sally Ghilchrist is the police she's trying to get some condition. The
conditions on me,
New Speaker (30:33):
Right.
New Speaker (30:33):
While
the Asbo is being made by the police and the Council Yeah,
New Speaker (30:34):
Yeah.
New Speaker (30:34):
Now
I basically go to the Court and I, the judge because I've got like a little
good name I had quite a good name I was doing good things for the community
that Jude didn't put the conditions on me, refused to put the conditions on me.
So then I went back to the court the next time and Sally kept Calling in
applications trying to get the conditions on me So the Judge were looking at
the folder and saying I'm not hearing that and throw the folder one of the one
of the judges walked out of the courtroom and said, I'm not dealing with that
and walked out of the Courtroom, So, now we have to get another judge get moved
out courtroom to upstairs. Now this happened about four times Sally trying to
get the conditions on me.
New Speaker (31:12):
Oh,
New Speaker (31:12):
Eventually
my surname is Cordell. I went into one of the Court Cases and went into one of
the things. And the judge said to me, something funny, he said to me, um, are
you related to maybe Maggie, Maggie Cordell and I said to him, you know, he
goes to me well that's good because my surname is Cordell as well. And basically,
you'd understand the conflict of interest.
New Speaker (31:33):
Yes
of course.
New Speaker (31:33):
And
that's what he said to me. So, I was like thank god I said that thank god I
said no
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Sally
has asked for the conditions again. And he's told her no, now she's lost her
temper.
New Speaker (31:46):
OK.
New Speaker (31:46):
She
lost her tempted because now not, she's tried to get twice the other judge has
walk out and now all of a sudden, I got a Cordell judge all the good things I
had done at that stage were working for me. So now Sally's lost hr temper and
next to her is head of communications for the metropolitan police. And
basically my name started getting made dirty like they are saying and I would
say my name's gone viral personally the doctors don't like me to say that they
want to put me on ECT treatment Electronic compulsive treatment and they want
to take me off my mum and dad and that because of the Councils orders asking for
that. Yeah. So basically, my but basically what happened is Sally lost her
temper and my name started because of after the Cordell Judge she just, and my
name started getting made dirty and all this.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
So
now all of a sudden some, judge a high court judge because the Asbo is supposed
to be Civil Law she's come in a woman now. I done a I'd check on the Judge
because I'm just checking people's names and that and she deals with
Paedophile, um, sex, rape cases and stuff like that for young children, then
they have their statistics online. So how many cases a Judge has won and this
Jude has just killed; like basically she's done all of the bad people; I would
prefer to say yeah, because she deals with children cases for um, sexual
assaults against children, she's quite an old woman judge like Grey hair that;
I've done checks and I've told my mum look all this stuff that's going on about
my name being changed. Now, all of a sudden, this Judge is here instead of the
Cordell Judge Right mum I feel that this is going the wrong way, mums like stop
being silly sort so I've gone to the Court. Now eventually that judge has told
them lot have you seen his statement? Sort of thing.
New Speaker (33:41):
Right.
New Speaker (33:41):
and
the Police said we still want to prosecute. And the Council and that because
they've spent, the reason they gave is they spent too much money on the
application to turn back. So Okay. So, you spent too much money. And then
basically, um, eventually Steven Elsmore is getting called on to stage under
Oath.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
He
is lying saying that he never put the Crown Road ones in there and all that in
the statements transcribed, all the other coopers are going up and there
getting battered because none of them, none of the coopers that attended Court
were really at any of the events yeah. That I'm supposed to have done. And the
reason for that is because Steven Elsmore gone into the computer and he has
picked coppers on a Thursday.
New Speaker (34:21):
Yep,
you told me that
New Speaker (34:21):
On
the Thursday they weren't. So, they can’t attend day; So, so what that
technically does is that makes them hearsay So then they're not really, if
you're, if I hearsay means that a secondary person,
New Speaker (34:36):
I
already know what hearsay is.
New Speaker (34:36):
yeah.
A secondary person that wasn't really there.
New Speaker (34:38):
Yeah.
New Speaker (34:38):
So,
my barrister is ripping them my barrister is ripping them all on the stage
saying, well, you weren't even there everything you're saying hearsay, there's
no evidence based on this.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
And
you can see that in the transcripts. And then the coppers are getting off the
stage. And that all Steve Elemore and that and they are going to the Judge, Oh,
we're sorry. We didn't mean to do this. Now this judge, this naughty judge at
the end of it, she's basically been asked by the prosecutor against me who was
Robert Taylor who, Sally comes with a team of them. So, she comes with 5
people. Some people would sit in the back of the Court like under writers for
law I think and she would come with Robert Taylor, who's their prosecutor. And
they're come as a pack. Yeah. Sort of thing Robert has basically asked for a lifetime
Asbo and even this Judge who destroys people's lives who are bad people I
suspect normally, not for parties or anything like that. Yeah. Or anyone just
trying to start a family. She's basically had to say to Robert and to Sally,
no, I can't give him the lifetime Asbo but what I would do is I'll give him
five years + the last two years that he's ride while the trial was being gone
on wont run current So I have to ride the whole seven years there plus the year
for the Gazebo, which made the eight years, if that makes any sense, then.
New Speaker (35:52):
It
does when was the Court Case
Speaker 4 (35:55):
The
Court case was 2000.
New Speaker (35:56):
When
was that?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
The
court case was initially started I can’t be precise about the date unless I
look and go through folders
Speaker 4 (36:01):
I wana
roughly when was it
Speaker 1 (36:05):
2014.
New Speaker (36:06):
2014.
New Speaker (36:06):
The
curfew, the curfew come of me three months ago.
New Speaker (36:10):
Yes
OK.
New Speaker (36:10):
The
curfew is just three months ago. I finally come of the curfew. But what
happened is because of it like gotten back on it. because of Dawn Allen and
everything about that. And my mum writing them emails and that after Dawn Allen
and Deborah they moved Deborah out and back in. She's moved back out again. I
can explain why in detail why that happened but what happened is a year
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Can
I just stop you there Mr. Cordell Okay? We've now been talking for an hour and
20 minutes.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I
can appreciate that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Last
time that however, the problem I have is at the moment I still don't have
access to all the documents you're talking about.
New Speaker (36:51):
OK
I can understand.
New Speaker (36:51):
I
do apologise. I can't be on the phone till like 06:30 this evening.
New Speaker (36:53):
I
can appreciate that.
New Speaker (36:53):
I
still don't have the documents I need to have the document
Speaker 3 (37:01):
OK,
is it possible that I can like, because rather than rushing everything now I
didn't expect you to pick up the phone to be honest, lol
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Is
there any way that I can phone you tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (37:10):
And
also, I need you to tell me when you phoned me because I need to be talking to
my IT tomorrow.
New Speaker (37:18):
OK.
New Speaker (37:18):
Because
if you telephoned me and you said maybe like 50 times.
New Speaker (37:21):
I
might have done it more.
New Speaker (37:21):
Uh,
hang on a minute I made some notes of what you said because I am really worried
about that because I should be getting, uh, the, the, the messages I can see
that I'm not getting the messages and that's really concerning.
New Speaker (37:36):
I
can understand that.
New Speaker (37:36):
Like
you said you have rung me a hundred times. That's it?
New Speaker (37:44):
Well
yeah,
New Speaker (37:44):
And
you said that you have left 50 to 60 messages.
New Speaker (37:47):
Yeah,
I have.
New Speaker (37:47):
I'm
really worried because there's clearly a problem with my phone. If I haven't got
50 or 60 messages from you It's clearly a big problem.
New Speaker (37:55):
OK.
New Speaker (37:55):
So,
I need to roughly
Speaker 3 (37:57):
I'll
be, I'll be precise. The accurate, if I went and logged in, I could count them
if like, um, oversley. I'm just, I'm just putting a number out there a rough
average number at the moment but I have made a lot of phone calls.
New Speaker (38:09):
When
was the last time you rung me?
New Speaker (38:09):
Some
of, some of the times, I've not necessarily all the time. out of the number that
I gave you, not necessarily all of them times.
New Speaker (38:16):
Yes.
New Speaker (38:16):
I
have left a message. Sometimes I'll just phone and it gone to answer machine
and I'm just like, ah, no, one's going to pick up and then I'll put down and I
will say alright It doesn't necessarily mean that I've always left a personal
message to speak to you. But I have left quite a few of them still out of the
whole count of times. I've called. If that makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
It
does and what's the mobile number you've been phoning from?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Um,
it's, I'm not allowed to phone the civics because of what Jeremy Chambers and
all that done and what I can prove Lemmy, they barred my phone from phone in
the civic centre all the way through.
New Speaker (38:50):
Right.
New Speaker (38:50):
every
one of my neighbour’s attacking me. I'm allowed to phone your phone now because
I'm barred My phone.
New Speaker (38:57):
why
are you then.
New Speaker (38:57):
How
have you got through?
New Speaker (38:57):
Because
what I do is, they've not barred the IMEI on my phone, what they've barred is
my telephone number. So, if I go into my settings and I say, hide, telephone
number, I'm allowed to phone you from an anonymous number.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Why
if you, I ‘am Sorry. I'm a little bit, I just need to clarify something with
you then. So, Jeremy Chambers and the Council
New Speaker (39:22):
Barred
me from phoning the civic centre,
New Speaker (39:27):
And
the Council has barred you from calling the civic centre
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah,
I have recorded them.
New Speaker (39:30):
What
dates what dates did that happen.
New Speaker (39:30):
through,
Pretty much all of me being attacked after, after what happened is after a year
things settled down for yeah, but I was still under a lot of problems from my neighbour’s
and still going through the curfew and that, but a year later, Lemmy has
started work for the Council and say on the first.
New Speaker (39:50):
Yes,
ok you told me that.
New Speaker (39:50):
10,
16, then what's happened is.
New Speaker (39:52):
yep.
New Speaker (39:52):
On
the fifth of the 10th of the 16. Well, what actually happened is one of my
other neighbour’s. She, she was looking after Stan who, is, one of the old
man's that was attacking me and Stan would go into a house every single day.
And he, she would cook him dinner and look after him.
New Speaker (40:08):
Right.
New Speaker (40:08):
Now
she made a malicious phone call, but and pretended that I went out into my back
garden and I've looked across 3 gardens to and two floors higher and I've
shouted across to them what their precise words were.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
I
said, what, what, what I'm going to kill you and your fing children to this
woman. Now I never went out in my back garden on that day. The police come here
because they knew they was in so much trouble for the Asbo where I was phoning
and making recordings. And they took me straight out and took me to the police
station, held me in the police station for 48 hours. And they never sent no
Sergeant down to me. Wouldn't let me speak to a solicitor or anything. I've got
all the custody papers of it all. And then what they've done is they sent some
woman to a woman and some doctors to my cell flap. Now they let me go in my cell
with my belt, my trainer Lacey's. I just went to sleep and had some food and I
was just quiet and that yeah, I was proper normal because it didn't bother me,
but they've come to my flap and said some woman called Maggie Fuller for the
AMT team.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
She's
come to my cell. And she said we're taking you to the mental hospital and I
said to them Mental hospital. Why are you taking me to a Mental Hospital,
there's nothing wrong? I'm waiting for my Solicitor to come so I can do my
interview and prove that I never done none of this. I never went out in my
backyard and swore at no neighbour’s. Now, she said she, they walked off and
had a conversation just two seconds from the cell door, come back and said, it
doesn't matter. What's going on. You're going to the hospital. Now she's took
me to St. Ann's hospital. What in the police notes?
New Speaker (41:37):
Hmm,
hmm.
New Speaker (41:37):
The
second that the police got me in the police station from the neighbour making
the fake claims, they started asking all the hospitals, have you got a bed for
Simon?
Speaker 3 (41:45):
All
the hospitals refuse to take me. So, they started phoning up private hospitals,
pay for a private hospital for me to get put into, even though I hadn't done
anything wrong. Yeah, now what's happened is. She, she, um, eventually they
have taken me to St. Ann's hospital had me in there and they put me in a room.
Now, when I look at my room, there was loads of Girls queuing up in St Ann's
hospital out of place and I never paid much attention to it for the first day
or two. I went through a massive process in the hospital. They wanted to put me
on ECT treatment and try that before I even got to the hospital, they had a
list of like 20 different. tablets that they well let’s just say 10. Yeah.
Different tablets that they wonted; like they had already pre planned to put me
on to, to basically hurt me.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Yeah.
And to make it so that I couldn't talk none of this stuff anymore. And uh,
basically while I'm in the hospital, one of the women comes to my cell and I
said, why is all the girls outside there? Why, why do they queue up every day?
Because I'm stuck in a little room, looking at a window. She's like, that's the
sex clinic. I was like, that's the sex clinic you've got a sex clinic, sort of
thing here. And then she's like, she's like, yeah, like they're thinking that
they've got me and make me get me into a corner or something. I'm like that's
great. because you can go right in there now and I wrote a letter, signed
authorisation, go and check my medical notes with evergreen clinic where I went
and you can see that there's nothing wrong with me then. Yeah. So, after that
I've signed authorisation and the St Ann's hospital have gone into there,
obviously done their checks and they've checked out. He's really got nothing
with him. Now in that they're trying to do loads of blood sticking needles in
me and everything. They're messaging their own teams. Can we have his blood
test? And the blood test teams are all saying he's like a normal person. You
have to wait for him. Like everybody else in all their notes. And then
eventually, they got all the and everything, and I come back as healthy as
anything they released me. I went for Tribunal I called my solicitor and
prepared my case. And I got released straight away at the hospital. they knew
that they were in trouble, but they had started to build a profile because this
neighbour lied and said that I went outside. Now what's happened is I've come
back home while I'm in the hospital. I had another partner after that, Katie.
And we'd been, Katie come to the clinic because I told her what happened with
Shannon.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
I
asked her to come to evergreen clinic with me as well. So, she can check in my
files and check the results, that coming back from me and everything. Yeah. So,
Katie went there with me and I got all the letters for that and Kate, see that
there was nothing wrong with me. So, Katie's always stuck beside me. I've been
with her for like 25 years prior to this. Yeah. Sort of thing off and on from
when we were children. Yeah. Because now what's happens is Katie's stuck beside
me for that. But, um, what actually happened is I hang on one second when I've,
when I've, when I've come, when I'm, when I'm here now I've come. Katie come to
the hospital while I was in there, Kate fell pregnant just before I got set up
and said that I went out in the garden and said, what, what, what to the
neighbours?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Me
and Kay agreed to have a baby here. So, Kate got pregnant. And now, we were
waiting to have a baby and that was no one else; that wasn't anyone else; that
wasn't none of my neighbour's business, but my neighbours were still attacking
me and her while we were in my home. So now Kate has come to the hospital when
I'm in St Ann's and told me, Si, I've lost the baby. So now I've come out the
hospital. I never told no one about it, but I went, what happened is I went
back to my home, my personal address. Now I was in my home for two weeks and a
new boy got moved into the flat Deborah was in right above me. His name was
George Quinton. Now, George. He told me his story. People were banging at him
and his gay boy and all of this. Yeah. I'll treated George like a normal person
like anyone else. But George has decided to follow the rest the adults and
started tapping at me and to try and get me. Now. eventually.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Okay.
what do you mean "Tapping”?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Tapping
hitting the floor banging the walls, banging the floor.
New Speaker (01:39):
Oh,
beg your pardon yep.
New Speaker (01:39):
I
can't go.
New Speaker (01:40):
Yep.
New Speaker (01:40):
I
can't go to sleep on my sofa. Now, if I go to sleep on my sofa now the black
girl upstairs, or the 113 or Ozzie I'll show you the recordings from yesterday.
The day before, every time, every day I'm getting attacked in my home.
continuously yeah.
New Speaker (01:52):
OK
so, this new man moves in called George and he starts the banging from the
Speaker 2 (01:52):
George
started attacking me, he starts banging at me. Yeah,
New Speaker (01:59):
Yep,
OK.
New Speaker (01:59):
Now,
what actually happens is after two weeks of being out of the hospital from
being set up, I am supposed to have gone outside, gone up to George's house and
asked George because I have knocked on Georges door a few times and asked him
to behave politely.
New Speaker (02:14):
Yep.
New Speaker (02:14):
But
I was supposed to have smashed George's bike up two weeks after getting out the
house. So, I got arrested for George's bike. Now, what happens on the fifth of
the 10th, 2016, four days after Lemmy starts work. Lemmy picks up George's bike
case. And that's how, Lemmy get involved, Lemmy start's work on the first of
the 10th 2016, then on the fifth of the 10th, 2016 Georges bike happens just
after I've been told about the baby and that yeah.
New Speaker (02:44):
yes.
New Speaker (02:44):
I
didn't come back in that two weeks and say anything to any of my neighbours
about what Katie had come and told me in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I
just come back home. I've smashed Georges bike supposedly and I've been put on
bail conditions to stay at my mum's house. The council never realised I was on
bail conditions at my mum's house. Now Lemmy picks up the case files. And then
Lemmy started to deal with two cases. George's bike and he deals with the Christine
Case saying, what, what? because remember I never got interviewed when I went
to the police station for the supposedly threatening the children. When I never
went out in the back garden, I never got interviewed because they knew that
what I was going to be like in the interview room. Yeah. So, they've got me
taken to the mental hospital. So, I was still, when I'm in, I'm still on bail
When I, when I got released from the hospital, I had to go back to the police
station in two weeks’ time to find out who had said that I had done this to
them.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah.
Because I hadn't even been told who I had, who I was to supposed to have said
this to yeah, or what I had done. So I went back; the day, I'm supposed to go
back to find that why I got put in the hospital, George starts on me when I'm
in the bath, having a shower and what’s not suppose Um, while I ‘am having my
bath and that, George goes in the bathroom flushing the toilet and stumping
above my head. My cameras prove all of this now because I've got all, I've got
cameras in every room and audio recordings So, I've recorded the whole lot.
Pretty much. Now George starts attacking me and I'm supposed to have gone up to
George's door. And I was supposed to knocked on George's door. George and me
are supposed to of had a con, with his door closed, had a bit of an argument
and George's bike was supposed to have got smashed.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
The
police come and nicked me for the bike, took me to the police station while I'm
in the police station. I've been interviewed for both cases. Now I've been told
what happens is; I got taken to the Court and I got told bail conditions. While
the cases are ongoing, I've got to stay at my mum's house and I'm not allowed
to come back to my home. Now Lemmy start's work on the first five days later is
when the bike happens, Lemmy take on both cases. Lemmy start's managing both
cases now by the 16th of the month, Lemmy and that have lost the case. They
lose the both cases, the Georgia case, and they lose that case. So, what Lemmy gets
told to do in his, in the release notes by his line manager Kanichiwa what
happens is witness care team message. Lemmy the day before we're supposed to go
for trial for both cases
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Sorry,
Mr. Cordell, Mr. Cordell. Sorry can we just go back one second, so when you say
that they lost the case, they lost the case what in court.
New Speaker (05:15):
Yeah,
I went to court.
New Speaker (05:15):
Or
they didn't have enough evidence
Speaker 1 (05:18):
What
happened is, what happened is, I'm supposed to go to court for trial on the 17th
and on the; off the 10th, I think, or might be the 11th, but basically on the
16th, Lemmy and the Council receive an email. And I receive an email of the
witness care team in Holborn, which deals with the Court and what they say is
there's not enough evidence in any of the cases for a likely conviction.
New Speaker (05:41):
Hmm,
New Speaker (05:41):
So
there dropping both of the cases and Now, Kanichiwa
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Arr,
right
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Kanichiwa
got that email and now Kanichiwa ask's Lemmy five days after starting work, can
you go to, um, Christine's house who is looking after Stan who made all of this
up maliciously. Can you go to Georgia and Stain's and that and can you give
them incident diaries? So Lemmy comes and gives them incident diaries. When Lemmy
is talking to them, they, he must know because Lemmy’s is B block and so is
Steven Elsmore based in B block and they're all in the same, same office. Yeah.
So Anti-Social Behaviour. So Lemmy, Lemmy is upset in some of the recordings
about the things I'm saying about his colleagues, for instance. Yeah. So now
what's happened is, um, basically Lemmy, Lemmy come and met these lot and when
he's met these lot, they've told him, he's asked him, do you know anything else
about Simon?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Because
we need to get some stuff on Simon basically. Yeah, now. I think Christine,
Christine says, uh, an incident and that happened like a year prior, a year
prior to her making up the event of me going out in the garden, which got me
put in the nutty hospital. Yeah. And then, yeah, basically Lemmy what happens
is they lose the case. Lemmy gets Christine phone up a couple of times
afterwards, which I've got the notes of it all in the thing. And she, she talks
about an incident prior to all of the stuff that they had made up. And she says
another date now Lemmy does, is he takes the two cases that they've lost. He
puts that into a possession order. He takes the other date, which Christine's
now allowed to make up, even more maliciously prior to the other case she has
lost, puts that in there.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
He
goes and makes up two other dates and then two or three other dates. And he
uses that. Now, just before that happens, Sarah Fletcher, the neighbourhood
office team, my mum's being sending the 16 months’ worth of emails to Dawn
Allen and Sarah Fletcher sort of took their place. Now who's the now new
neighbourhood officer at the time and what Sarah Fletcher has done while I'm on
my mum's sofa at my mum's house. She went and met the Mathiyalagan’s on the top
floor for the first time ever. Well, now they've gone and made up; they had a
meeting on the 11th of the 11/206 at the civic centre. And what's happened is
they made up five dates now one of them had like nine months prior, a year
prior that I've knocked on their door and done stuff. Yeah. Now when I get out
of the hospital and I come back home, I'm at home for two weeks. George's bike happens
I go to my mum's house. I phone up Sarah Fletcher on the 22nd, just after the
11th. And I say to Sarah Flexure that this isn't fair Sarah don't want to go
back to that home. They've made up stories about me going in my garden. I'm
getting attacked every day. My mum's been asking everyone to help. And the rest
I explained to Sarah I'm on my mum's sofa now Sarah had just met the Mathiyalagan’s
on the 11th and let them make up five days. Now Sarah knows that one of them
dates, I'm not in this house, I'm on my mum. I can prove that it was made up.
She got the dates wrong, realising that I wasn't. I was on bail conditions not
to come to my house. So, she gets the dates wrong. Now she runs and leaves to
company because I've told her what's happening. And Lemmy comes in and Lemmy
takes over the case. Lemmy on the fifth, he gets loose. They lose the bike
case, lose me going out in the garden because of the care prosecution team he
uses them. He goes and get Sarah Fletcher's fake stuff. The five offences she
made up when I was on bail conditions at my mums. And she's put from the
Mathiyalagan's puts them in the folder. The time limitation actors, it says six
months, like someone has a total report something they let these lot back date
these things like a year prior, just making history on me, take the history
from Sarah Fletcher, put that into a possession order. Take the two cases that
they've just lost their, put them into the possession order. He, I think then
he uses to; he makes two. There were two other dates. He because he doesn't
realise like didn't realise that I was on the sofa and he puts two other dates
in it as well. Now he goes for a possession order. Now I look at the possession
order because I get when I'm on my mum's sofa, not allowed to come to my house.
and so, does my mum; my mum has asked; my mums have emailed Lemmy saying Lemmy
what Lemmy does is Lemmy and my mum are arguing for like, for like eight months
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Sorry
and the possession order is to what remove? then take your flat away.
New Speaker (10:08):
Yeah,
to take my flat to rob me of my home.
New Speaker (10:15):
But
you don't want to be there anyway. Do you?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
No,
what I would like is; the judge ordered I must have an instant transfer.
New Speaker (10:22):
Yep.
New Speaker (10:22):
in
the; when, once dealing with, Lemmy, what happened is in short. Yeah. because I
know you've put a lot and I know it's late and I'm sorry for you having to;
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It
is very late Mr. Cordell and I will have to stop the call soon.
New Speaker (10:34):
Yeah,
I apologise.
New Speaker (10:34):
We
now almost an hour and 40 minutes.
New Speaker (10:37):
I
can imagen
New Speaker (10:37):
Um,
so, and the problem I've got as I keep saying.
New Speaker (10:41):
You
can’t get to the files right now.
New Speaker (10:41):
I
need the documentation.
New Speaker (10:41):
But
I did not expect you to pick up the phone.
New Speaker (10:41):
I can’t
get it open
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I'll,
I'll get that all sorted out and I can get over to you by tomorrow.
New Speaker (10:48):
And
also, I need to understand something as well Mr. Cordell.
New Speaker (10:50):
Go
on.
New Speaker (10:50):
Because
this is really important. I need to understand because I don't know this
situation that you referenced about Jeremy Chambers.
New Speaker (11:00):
Yeah.
New Speaker (11:00):
and
about how the council has banned you from telephoning to complain to us
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah.
From phoning. Now that that happened, that that's easy. That's all come. It
will all, it's all part of what happened basically we are right at the end of
it.
New Speaker (11:10):
OK.
New Speaker (11:10):
But
basically, what happened is, Lemmy used the dead cases and he uses all the
cases. And he uses for the fake, dead cases that has got me put in the hospital
that they made up and all that. Then they served the possession order using
Sarah Fletcher's work and all the rest of it. He makes 31 offence's up.
New Speaker (11:27):
Hmm,
hmm.
New Speaker (11:27):
Now
I look at them and I say, I've won this case. I've won this case. I've won this
case in criminal courts. So how can you refile them in a civil case? That's
malicious process. Now Lemmy, Lemmy I Phone Lemmy up for the first time. So,
I'm glad I've got, I've just got a list. This list of things I'm supposed to
have done.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I'm
not in my house. On most of these dates. You've got the dates wrong. I'm on
bail conditions at my mums, and you're using all dead cases that I've already
run in a criminal court. This is illegal. Please. Can you give me the
statements to these people? Lemmy never had never met none of them before
properly at that staged before. He hadn't met them only Sarah Fletcher had met
the neighbours upstairs and Lemmy had gone to Christine's for, uh, for, to give
the incident diaries. So basically, what happens is, Lemmy didn't have no
statements for none of these things. And they're all dead cases that I've won
anyway. So now Lemmy couldn't apply or the second stage of the possession
order. So, I in the phone calls. I'm saying to him, explaining to him what's
happened. So Lemmy goes and what Lemmy does is he creates an injunction or puts
all of the same 31 things that he made up for the possession order that I've
already won and puts it in into an injunction order.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Now
he goes and meets every single one of these people. After that date, for the
first time and starts taking statements, off them, making statements with them
so he can put the statements. And because me and my mum, what happens is he's
messaging my mum while I'm on my mum's sofa he would like to have a meeting
with me. After the 5th he's had an offence. That's happened to deal with a bike
and to do with my neighbour’s. He wants a meeting with me at the civic centre.
Yeah. And I say to him, because of the Asbo I don't want to go to the civic
centre. If you're more than welcome to come to my home, he says, I'm not coming
to your home to have this meeting with you. Yeah. You have to come. And I'm
saying to him, well, it's not fair because I feel that you're now labelling me
as a perpetrator. Now that these people are saying that I've done something and
now you want to meet me, when me and mum have messaged and all this time,
you've never wanted me to come and take my side off of me. This is unfair yeah,
now what Lemmy does is because of, because he knows that that's happened. He,
he, my mum's asking him for the offences in the emails for like six months,
four months, five months. Now Lemmy don't have no offences at the beginning
until Sarah Fletcher makes up them, then he uses the dead cases. Then he sends
them dead cases to my mum. Yeah. But what, what you can tell is that I put the
FOI into the computer. My mum had to, and there was no information before
Jeffrey Oman team leader checked the computer's.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Sarah
Fletcher, check the computers, everyone. And there was no history for me prior
to all of this. Yeah. And then Lemmy create this history. And basically, he's
gone to the Asbo Um, for an injunction order we've gone to Court He never
served some forms in time. Like the judge said, so I've told the judge that he isn’t
done that I was quick witty on it; on something the judge said, the judge said
the case is struck out and it can never, ever go before a court ever again. So,
I've won the first injunction order and the possession order never went ahead.
Yeah. Because his re put that in there if that makes sense now, okay.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So,
the Injunction is struck out
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah,
I got all the Court Order.
New Speaker (14:34):
Yep
the injunction is stuck out.
New Speaker (14:34):
The
injunction order, he used the same 31 things, put them into the injunction that
there was a; it was supposed to serve some paperwork in a set time.
New Speaker (14:43):
yep.
New Speaker (14:43):
The
judge realised how much trouble he was in and how bad he was at the law and
that and me and my mum were quite nifty in it. Yeah. So the judges gave him a
chance and said to him, told him, Lemmy go and read this file and what it says,
when Lemmy goes and reads the file, it says, if you can do an out of court
settlement, do an out of court settlement that's what the order for Lemmy was
told to go and read. Lemmy decided not to do that.
New Speaker (15:05):
Did
they
New Speaker (15:05):
What
they've done is they; the judge, the judge struck it out, said it can never be
reinstated. Lemmy started going
New Speaker (15:11):
"Indubitable"
New Speaker (15:11):
into
the Court every single day.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Because
in one of the conversations, I say to him look go and call an emergency
application, an EGM meeting, because I've learned stuff from the community hall
working in the community. Lemmy, so Lemmy decides to go and start trying to
call these emergency applications at the Court. He's in the Court every day
with a company credit card, asking for the case to be reopened under the same
case number the judges are saying, no, no, no, no. Everyday Lemmy's going
there. Yeah, I have got all of the notes to it. When I didn't know he was doing
this, then basically I phoned up Lemmy on the phone, and I have said to Lemmy
on the phone, I'd done some homework online. Yeah, and I checked at company
house, um, Lemmy’s name and it come up that he was a director of a company and
Tracy Willis was a part a director with them so in one phone conversation I
have said to Lemmy You know, when I'm asking, are you related to Tracy Willis
or something like that and Lemmy's lost his temper, he's going to, I'm going to
kill you and your mother and I'm recording him and all that. I'm going to kill
you and your mother and that Yeah. Now this is, so now what he does is he calls
up the police and says to the police, the I've told him, done the phone. I'm
going to do something to him. And then the police come and nicked me for that.
While I'm in the police station, he runs back to the Court again, which has
been saying no, no, no to him. And he opens up a brand-new case, another
injunction order, which is solely for me threatening him.
New Speaker (16:33):
"Indubitable"
New Speaker (16:33):
Now,
now he then goes to the Mathiyalagan’s upstairs he takes them to Court and he
doesn't Aphadate of service, which is perjury under the 1911 under the 1911 Act
If you do an Averdate of service, 1911 perjury Act, if you do Avadate of
service, that's when you filed the elements for perjury Now he takes the
Mathiyalagans back to the Court After opening up the second injunction for
threats against him on the telephone supposedly, which never really happened.
You can tell in the recording, he threat's me and my mum. Yeah. Then he basically
gets all of the old case paperwork and reinstates it into the second injunction
order. Now, me and my mum switched at the judge this is all stuck out; it’s the
same cases we've already won this, this is supposed to be about threats to
Lemmy a phone call made while I was in my house to Lemmy
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah.
Now the judge says that he wants the hole folder indexed. So, the folder has to
be indexed Lemmy has had to go back and index the second injunction order and
all of the extra stuff that he's put in that was struck out. Now, the judge,
the judge looks at and says, the case is over. You've lost the case yeah, to Lemmy
yeah. Now Lemmy lose the case. Now I start phoning up the civic centre I phone
up the civic centre and say to them well look Lemmy just lost this other case
again, and I can prove all of these things, now Jeremy Chambers and all that
start. I asked Jeremy Chambers, can he do an investigation? Jeremy Chambers can
he do an investigation
Speaker 2 (17:58):
So,
you spoke to Jeremy by email
Speaker 1 (18:00):
By
email, Yeah by email and by my mum
New Speaker (18:00):
By
email so you didn't actually speak to Jerry Chambers
New Speaker (18:00):
I
did not personally speak to Jeremy Chambers but I've got personal letters off
Jeremy, with Jeremy signing them.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Sorry,
sorry Mr. Cordell I just want to understand what you did. You said you phoned
up the civic centre.
New Speaker (18:15):
Yeah.
New Speaker (18:15):
And
you said that the case has been lost. And then you immediately talked about Jeremy
Chambers, but you didn't speak to Jeremy Chambers.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
So,
what's happened is I've said that the case has been lost and, um,
New Speaker (18:27):
Yep.
New Speaker (18:27):
I'm
not happy with it. Then what Jeremy Chamber's done.
New Speaker (18:30):
yep.
New Speaker (18:30):
is
Jeremy Chambers emailed my mother and told my mother that, um, if I contact the
civic centre, he's investigated everything that I've said. Yeah. Which is a
load of rubbish.
New Speaker (18:42):
Yep.
New Speaker (18:42):
And
if I phone up the civic centre, I ‘am barred from phoning the civic centre, he
wrote a letter and signed it himself and everything yeah all with Enfield
Council, he says that the neighbourhood office team belongs to him in the civic
centre them in the civic centre. He's in charge, they're in charge of the neighbourhood
office team and that if I phone up the neighbourhood office team, or I phone up
the civic centre about these allegations, again, what they're going to do is
file for another possession order. Yeah. So, I'm like hang on the second file
for another possession order for what like sort of thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
The
letter from Jeremy Chambers that you're referring to.
New Speaker (19:16):
Yeah.
New Speaker (19:16):
You're
able to give me a copy of it are you.
New Speaker (19:22):
Yeah,
I have got loads of it I have got loads of um, loads from different emails from
him.
New Speaker (19:22):
OK,
That. Okay, no that's fine because what I'm concerned about is that my
telephone is routed through the civic centre. Even though I'm not at the civic
centre,
New Speaker (19:29):
OK.
New Speaker (19:29):
my
telephone is routed through there. So I need to be able to understand whether
your, whether that comment that you've made there of what Jeremy Chambers has
said to you in that letter, whether that is that you're not allowed to
telephone the council at all, or whether you're not allowed to phone the
Council "inaudible"
Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's
for two years what he says in his letter is that I ‘am, I'm not allowed to
give; he's done an investigation, all of the phone calls that I've made to
them,
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So,
all the stuff you've told me about all the stuff you've told me about. You told
Jeremy chambers about that Right?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
No,
I did not get a chance to tell Jeremy Chambers what's happened is my mum's
message that may be maybe them lot again in one of them emails. And what's
happened is I phoned up in the conversation with Lemmy. I asked Lemmy when he
was doing this and going for the second possession order. Have you ever, are
you a solicitor or are you, are you, are you governed by law sort of thing? And
he goes, because I see, Lemmy was training in one of the pictures before he
worked at the civic centre, he was outside Westminster and he'd done a law
degree and that so I said Lemmy if you've done a law degree, you; this isn't,
you, you should already know what you're doing? You've put, he, she, he, she on
20 different neighbours on 31 offences under the hearsay act, I can't call none
of these people to Court
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And
if I have the right to request any accuser to Court, to question the stability
of there statements, Lemmy So all the only people's name that you've put in
this is your name. So, I can only call you and none of my neighbours to court.
And I think that's unfair in the beginning, that it is he? He says, you've done
this on that day. She says, you've done that. So now Lemmy, I say to Lemmy do
you know what, Lemmy I think the best thing for you Lemmy right now is to go
and get yourself a solicitor. Now what Lemmy does is next to the civic centre.
I don't know if he's bosses or whatever next to pizza hut is a solicitor firm,
they hire this Lumina in from there as a private solicitor. Now the Lydmindiya
comes in and she starts to manage the case for, Lemmy know.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I
start phoning up Lumina and I say to Lumina I ‘am explaining
New Speaker (21:45):
Who's
this sorry, say her name again Lumina
New Speaker (21:45):
Lumina
yeah, that's correct. Yeah. The only reason she works,
New Speaker (21:47):
ok.
New Speaker (21:47):
the
only reason she works for the company is because in the conversation with
Lemmy, I'm saying to Lemmy are you a solicitor, I didn't know about Jeremy
Chambers or a law of governance. I hadn't worked that stage out So I'm saying
to Lemmy I know you trained to be a solicitor are you acting in a legal manner
at the present time in the phone conversation, Lemmy starts to realise that I'm
working everything out. So, I say to Lemmy on the phone, I think use lot need
to go and get yourself a Solicitor firm, Now, Um, Lemmy goes and speaks. They
speak to the pizza. The Solicitor firm, next to pizza hut, Now, and they speak
to a woman called Jean
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Now,
Jean is the part, one of the partners of the solicitor firm the Lumina was
underneath her. And she was mostly well looked after now. The Lumina has been
loaned to the civic centre at that stage. She's been loaned over on a sub fee
or whatever it is. Yeah. Now basically, eventually because I'm phoning up Lumina
and explaining to Lumina um, what Lemmy has been doing yeah. On the phone. I'm
recording me, explaining to her, well, this is wrong.
New Speaker (22:53):
Ok.
New Speaker (22:53):
hoping,
calling on a better nature for a new person to oversee everything. Now she's on
their team already yeah, so basically what she does is she, um, she, she, she
wouldn't listen to what was being explained. We kept going, she starts writing
loads of paperwork and starts getting heavy handed in the paperwork, which I
eventually ended up phoning up Jean Lumina original boss at the pizza Hut thing
and I speak to her on the phone. And I say to her, look, Lumina is acting in
such a way. And I think this, I want to explain something now, Jean comes to
Court through the second through the second possession order. Now what happens
is the civic centre. They I'm, I'm putting it on the judge and on Lumina now
and Lemmy what I can prove and in front of the Judge now they all know that
they're in trouble. So, what the Council do is say that even though they've
created this second injunction order, that they don't think that I ‘am fit to
stand trial on my own. And they would like a mental health assessment done.
They asked the judge for it. The judge says I'm not calling that in my name but
what I will say is use lot as the claimants have asked me to have an assessment
done on Simon because you don't think that he's fit to stand trial. So, the
Council Enfield Council agree to pay the fees for a private assessment for
another private assessment, the assessment.
New Speaker (24:13):
Hmm,
hmm.
New Speaker (24:13):
people
come to my door and what's not and a woman does and I put it on the assessment
woman in a polite way. I show her some evidence. Now she runs. Now two days
later, I get another phone call.
New Speaker (24:25):
Sorry
when was this.
New Speaker (24:25):
This
was in the, in the, in the middle of the second possession order and second
injunction order.
New Speaker (24:29):
Roughly,
roughly what year was this
Speaker 2 (24:32):
2017,
Speaker 1 (24:32):
2017,
2018, 2017.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
2017,
2018, Yes, OK
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Now,
the Council force the mental health assessment, even though they know what I'm
saying, well I can prove these 32 allegations are forged and they're been
refiled,
Speaker 2 (24:48):
The
Mental Health Assessment, the person comes to your property and what happens
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I
speak to the woman at the door, I got the recording of it. And I explained to
her what's going on.
New Speaker (24:57):
Right.
New Speaker (24:57):
She
runs off.
New Speaker (24:58):
Yep.
New Speaker (24:58):
because
she doesn't want to be involved and get herself in trouble. She realises how
much trouble they're in.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Now.
New Speaker (25:04):
She
does not come into your property.
New Speaker (25:04):
No,
New Speaker (25:04):
She
talks to you at the doorway.
New Speaker (25:04):
She
doesn't come in.
New Speaker (25:06):
You
talk to her and then she leaves.
New Speaker (25:06):
she's
in the communal hall way at the door.
New Speaker (25:08):
Yeah,
I've got my dictator in my hand. And I show her the dictator in my hand,
New Speaker (25:14):
Yep.
New Speaker (25:14):
this
is what happened.
New Speaker (25:14):
Intuitable.
New Speaker (25:14):
And
I show her the dictator and she say to me, Oh, so you're recording the meeting
are you and I said, yeah, I'm going to record the meeting. She said, I'm not
coming in if you're recording the meeting, the phone calls online. Yeah. I say
to her, I say to, I say to her, well, why won't you come in because I'm
recording the meeting. I'm allowed to take minutes in a digital format of any meeting
it's law. It's my legal right to do that. She says, I'm not, if you're going to
be recording the meeting, I'm not coming in. So, I say, all right, well, don't
come in. Then she said, well, I'm going to put this down that you refuse to
have a meeting.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Now
I phone up the council and everyone and say to them, this isn't right. So, I'm
allowed to record the minutes to my meetings. Yeah. under this law and I give
them the law and that; they send out two Council Officers and another
independent assessment team. They come into my house. Now just before they
come, I phone up the mental health assessment myself again and say, well, look,
the judge has set a time limit on this and the time limits now gone over. So
now I'm phoning use lot personally. Can you send somebody out to do an
assessment on me?
New Speaker (26:14):
Hmm,
hmm.
New Speaker (26:14):
They
send out someone to do an assessment on me so I can.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Hang
on hang on let's go back one sec. Sorry. Just one second. You say that two
Council Offices and an assessment team come out, but you also telephone the
assessment team.
New Speaker (26:28):
That's
correct. Just prior.
New Speaker (26:30):
And
she comes out as well
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah,
another two ladies, come out after the first lady comes and refuses to be
recorded.
New Speaker (26:36):
Yep.
New Speaker (26:36):
I
phoned up the assessment team because the judge has set a time limit for it all
and they send out another two people, which is like, now, going through the
years is my six assessment or whatever.
New Speaker (26:47):
Yeah.
New Speaker (26:47):
They
come in. We go through everything, I show them all my evidence and everything,
they're like, you're right Si and they leave happy saying that there's nothing
wrong with me. Now two days later, I get another phone call. Saying now two others;
another assessment. Another assessment has got to be done. I'm like, well, I
phoned up and made my own one. Yeah now.
New Speaker (27:03):
Right.
New Speaker (27:03):
I
said, okay, well I'll have the other one. Let's take it. So, I have 3
assessments in one week but one woman walks away two women come in, then two
Council Officers and one other woman come in. Now, my mum writes to Daniel Elis
and Daniel Elis is saying because what happened something to do the first one,
me being abusive, which is a load of rubbish they just make up some reasons and
say that's why the Council Officers have to be here but it is an independent
assessment. They go through all my evidence. I've got too much evidence and
recording it.
New Speaker (27:34):
It’s
not about evidence, I thought you were having an assessment because they're
saying that you're not. Um, capable of standing trial.
New Speaker (27:40):
yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah,
But the reason that they are saying that I'm not capable of standing trial is
because they're saying that they're basically saying that what the whole
principle of what they’re saying is the Doctors. There's three reasons why the
doctors keep getting involved, obviously, because of all the referrals and
they're being asked every second from the council, because I got all the
referrals from the Council computer, every time my mum emails to Council the
Council send a referral to the doctor saying, please go to Simon's Now I have
got every referral
Speaker 2 (28:07):
And
there assessing you aren’t they there not assessing the case.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah.
They're assessing.
New Speaker (28:11):
There
assessing you.
New Speaker (28:11):
me
and there assessing, they're assessing me. Yeah.
New Speaker (28:14):
But
they don't need to look at the of the documents.
New Speaker (28:14):
But
they do? They do to a degree because it's my life. And what's happening to me
has a massive and what the council allow to happen to my well-being.
New Speaker (28:24):
I
understand that yeah, I know.
New Speaker (28:24):
is
a massive part of my life and my health and that?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I
do I understand that but what I'm trying to understand is that you're saying that
one person came and then left because she didn't like that you were going to be
using a dictator machine.
New Speaker (28:36):
Recording
her.
New Speaker (28:36):
You
had a recording machine on So she left.
New Speaker (28:39):
Yeah.
New Speaker (28:39):
Then
you telephoned the assessment team. Two people come out; they assess you. And
they say there is nothing wrong.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah.
They say there's nothing wrong.
New Speaker (28:46):
And
then,
New Speaker (28:48):
and
then the Council say.
New Speaker (28:50):
Another
week latter two Council officers and team.
New Speaker (28:50):
And
another woman, again, Yeah, again
Speaker 2 (28:56):
One
woman sorry, they come into your property, they assess you.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
They
assessing me to see if I ‘am
New Speaker (29:00):
And
they say what.
New Speaker (29:00):
they
assess, me to see if I'm fit for trial to see if I'm fit for trial.
New Speaker (29:04):
Yeah.
New Speaker (29:04):
Now.
New Speaker (29:06):
And
what do they say.
New Speaker (29:06):
Now,
I record in there obviously, because I'm going to take advantage of whatever I
can because I'm not getting assessed as Mental ill, I showed them my diary, my
evidence, I record the conversation. So, everything went in my favour because
I've got a good case behind me for everything here. I show them what the
Council has been letting happened to me and the Council and the one that set
the application up and to get away from what I can prove that they've done in
the application. Now they're trying to get me mentally assessed. Yeah. Which is
illegal. Yeah. Show that this is what the council are doing. Yeah. They made it
up there. Brought it to Court and realised they're going to lose badly
reinstated again. Re-instate it again the same claims,
New Speaker (29:46):
Yeah,
no I. yeah, I understand that
New Speaker (29:46):
which
is not necessarily now. so, they've got, so basically because of the angle that
I've come from, they've had to sort of listen to it in the flat a bit. Yeah. So,
I'm showing them, Videos of Ambrose attacking me, I'm showing them all in my
diary. I'm showing them all videos that use lot have never seen
Speaker 2 (30:04):
How
many hours
Speaker 1 (30:05):
An
assessment could take; I've had about 15, 16 assessments. Now
Speaker 2 (30:10):
How
many hours roughly did the one where the two council officers and the woman come
out a session, roughly
Speaker 1 (30:16):
An
hour, an hour, an hour and a bit maybe.
New Speaker (30:20):
One
hour.
New Speaker (30:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Mr.
Cordell we've been speaking for two hours about this.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I
understand that but it is eight years. Eight years of everything. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I
understand that. But the problem I've got is that you want to make a claim against
the Council, which is your rights.
New Speaker (30:33):
Yeah.
New Speaker (30:33):
You
know, there is no issue there. You have the right to make a claim against the
Council. Anyone can make a claim against the Council.
New Speaker (30:42):
I
understand that.
New Speaker (30:42):
That's
not in dispute. What we need is we need evidence. And while she would tell me
all these things, and I now have a bit more of a better understanding of what
happened and roughly when I still don't have hold of the documents
Speaker 1 (30:56):
I
understand that.
New Speaker (30:56):
I
have to see all of the documents.
New Speaker (30:56):
I
understand that I have put them online. And I just
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Sorry.
Could you just bear with me just for one moment?
New Speaker (31:02):
Yeah,
of course Sorry madam.
New Speaker (31:02):
so,
can I just finish? Just one moment. Um, thank you. So, what I need from you is
I need you to be able to give full access so that we, the council and our
insurance department,
New Speaker (31:19):
Can
over view.
New Speaker (31:19):
our
insurers and whoever they are going to, um, uh, um, instruct to deal with the
claim because our insures doesn't actually claim's handle themselves.
New Speaker (31:30):
yeah,
its Gillet and Bizzell.
New Speaker (31:30):
We
need to have access to this information
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I
understand that. But do you know what the, my problem has been? Yeah. Like I
explained the amount of money do you know, honesty just to host my website. I
only get 5,000 pounds on benefits a year to live off of. Yeah. At the moment,
I've not been able to work or do hold my festival or do anything because I have
been fighting to keep my home, to live in my home for four years of malicious
process from the first possession order till today now is four years yeah, that
they have used all of this to cover up what happened in the Asbo while I'm
fighting the Asbo. And I've had my neighbour’s attacking me every day they
don't let me sleep. I can't sleep. I sleep on my sofa. They know that I'm going
to sleep. They will come and start jumping above my head and that yeah,
Speaker 1 (32:10):
So,
I I've been right now, Um, I've had to spend about two grands just on out
paying to get the Wix website up and to get everything up yeah, with no revenue
coming back for me and that's out of my five grands. So I've really been trying
to, I've been, I've had to cut down on so many things because there's a free
stage on the internet where you can host a little website and then once you
start getting to files that are too a certain size, they want like an extra
1,400 there 500 there 300 do you know. So not all of these things and fighting
from my home. So, you can imagine it all comes down to, I've had to really
fight. Now I've cut as many corners as I can. I'm just about got my finger on
it. Every single day I get up at six o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I
swear to God and I will not stop writing and organizing all of these files that
everyone else created yeah, to do. Yeah. And I don't stop till 12 midnight, six
in the morning Bang till you can ask any neighbour here. All I do is work. I
don't, I don't watch TV. I don't listen to nothing. I just work every second.
That's all I do. And it's took all of this. It's robbed all of this time of me
to, to just get to where I'm at now do you know, and it's killing me in cost.
Sort of thing yeah, like because of the way that everything set out, because
I'll be happy just to come to you with the folders. Lemmy and all that over
served me.
New Speaker (33:31):
We
can’t we have already discussed that
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah,
I understand? I understand that.
New Speaker (33:34):
A
number of times Mr. Cordell.
New Speaker (33:34):
I
understand that.
New Speaker (33:35):
And
it’s not possible.
New Speaker (33:35):
I
understand that. I understand that.
New Speaker (33:37):
So,
there is no point in going over that.
New Speaker (33:37):
I
understand that it's just the amount, it just because as I am writing as, I am
rectifying the issues and I ‘am phone, Lemmy say well I'm up to this stage and
everything's covered. Lemmy and all that would overload me with even more
paperwork and then it's just been a continuously thing, now there is like
Something like thirty million Pages like, like I'm saying in 2014, when Dawn
and everyone checked there, wasn't one bit of paperwork in my name When I put
the FOI into the Council in 2014 my name didn't have nothing, other than
housing benefits and that, now there's like 30 million words that have been
made up from these malicious allegations and stuff that I haven't done. And Lemmy
and that, when I show you the state of the diary and how much they've abused
it, you're going to understand why, why, why it's taken so long. Honestly, I'm
not lying to you. What they've done is so bad.
New Speaker (34:27):
At
no point Mr. Cordell have I ever said that you are lying
Speaker 1 (34:30):
No,
I'm not saying that I've never said that, I never said that. I never said that.
I never said that. I just said, you'd understand how bad it is, what they've
all done and how big of a problem it is and how hard it is for me too.
New Speaker (34:42):
OK.
New Speaker (34:42):
Because
I'm, I'm trying to keep up with like just here alone. My mum was emailing; when
I count my mum's emails and the officials, my mum, has emailed and that the
departments that she went to in regards to these issues, just on a rough count
of her emails, there's 1,500 officials. When I've gone and took every letter my
mum done, she hid all of the emails behind my back for 16 months and all that.
And all the rest, the only time my mum told me about all this paperwork was when
Lemmy went from my house because she had to tell me they're going to take my
home off of me. So, I've switched on my mum, we've had massive arguments she
gave me a small amount of emails. Then once I've built it once, she's gone I
have had to switch because there's stuff missing now, she's just gave me loads
a massive pile more in 2019 yeah
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Now
I've got to phone every single one of them people. Yeah. And I've recorded them
all and gone through everything with everybody and explained to them where
they're at fault and I've put everything straight. Yeah. So now I've had to
transcribe all of them, just do you know everything. And honestly the process
I've had to go through while being, while suffering it, if I could have gone
faster. I promise you. And if I could have got it to you easier then I would
have done.
New Speaker (35:54):
Yeah,
No, I understand that.
New Speaker (35:54):
Do
you know what my main goal has been to do?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I'm
saying to you, you're going too slow. I'm not saying that.
New Speaker (36:03):
Yeah,
I know.
New Speaker (36:03):
What
I'm trying to get at is that you're not the only claim that I have.
New Speaker (36:07):
I
understand that.
New Speaker (36:07):
We
have 700 claims.
New Speaker (36:10):
I
know that already I have seen the list of cases.
New Speaker (36:10):
So,
I can only be on the phone to you for certain reasonable amount of time now I
do understand the difficulty that you are in. I really do. And you are trying
to get the information collated as easily as possible so that our insurers and
whoever they instruct to represent them can actually look at it and understand
what the issues are. I understand that there's no dispute there.
New Speaker (36:37):
I
had learning and reading problems.
New Speaker (36:37):
that
is absolutely fundamental,
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Like
did you know that before this, I couldn't read and write properly. Yeah. Like
the Council know that in their computers
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Mr.
Cordell, we need to sort of wrap things up.
New Speaker (36:47):
OK.
New Speaker (36:47):
Because
It's almost six o'clock. Okay. So, um,
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Is
it possible I am going to get the links and I just got everything together in
the last couple of days, the server I've got the files?
New Speaker (36:57):
Right.
New Speaker (36:57):
And
I'm just trying to get the H.T.T.P.S into it. Once I've got; I have got to
quickly pay an extra 30 or 40 pounds for that. So, I'm just waiting for some
extra money to come in like now, and this Saturday and then I'm going to put
that and I'm going to pay for that straight away. Then I can put everything
into one website instead of having the server and the website, because the
website, horrific corruption wont except the server, unless it has the (S) In
it the end of it. So, I need to put the (S) in it. Then I can put all that in
the web and then I can it'd be a lot easier for me. I've really, honestly, I
swear to God, I have tried my best man and I've been, I've been going right
though it? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
It’s
up to you how you want to present your case? It's not for me to say, you must
do it in particular way. It's up to you, how you want to present it. So, I need
the information. I need to be able to provide that to our insurers and they,
and whoever they put in to deal with the claim
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Like
I was explaining in the beginning of the Councils history on my computers,
they've got a letter yeah and the letter says that I can't read and write. So,
they Council all the police and Council thought though out this Asbo and
everything that I couldn't read and write at all, but I could read and write to
a degree. I was just tongue tied as a child and went to speech therapy.
New Speaker (38:09):
Hmm,
hmm.
New Speaker (38:09):
So,
I was a bit slower at it yeah, now, obviously, because I've had to do so much,
I've got a lot better at it do you know, uh, at reading and writing on my own
and doing stuff. Yeah. Like I was saying in my reports, in the Council's
history, I used to have Tulip support team help me. And that's what I was
saying to you. Like somewhere down the lines, I've had no support. Me and my
mum were falling out because of all of this, because of how much she wrote
behind my back and how much she used my signature and talked and that
Speaker 1 (38:36):
A
lo it has helped me in the long run I would have rather her involve me info
with me in it do you know.
New Speaker (38:41):
Hmm,
hmm.
New Speaker (38:41):
Honestly,
I've, I've, I've had to overcome a lot of different problems to be able to even
get as of this far. I if it's possible and your happy, I know we've explained
most of what's happened in a ruff gest now, which is the longest part. If I can
try and get the files to Wix, and I can confirm that they're working with a
separate laptop ready for tomorrow, and I can email you over that information
tomorrow.
New Speaker (39:04):
Yes.
New Speaker (39:04):
And
what not and then maybe if you contact me back once you've had some time, or if
it doesn't work well.
New Speaker (39:11):
Mr.
Cordell Well, what I won't, I need to make this really clear to you because I
don't want to give you an, uh, a false expectation. Okay. So, I need to be
really, really clear when you advise me hopefully tomorrow of where I can find
the documentation, I'll be forwarding that information to our insurers and to
whoever is dealing with the claim. Okay. I am not going to go through the
documentation and all she questions myself. Okay. The claim will be dealt with
by an external provider because under the terms of conditions of our policy, we
are not supposed to have conversations with people that are making claims
against the Council. I'm happy to talk to you. I ‘am happy. Tell me everything
afternoon.
New Speaker (39:59):
I
appreciate that.
New Speaker (39:59):
That's
fine.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
But
when it comes to, when you give me the information tomorrow that will be
forwarded to their representative. Okay.
New Speaker (00:09):
Okay.
New Speaker (00:09):
And
then they will look through that and they we'll come back to you,
New Speaker (00:16):
See
what is upsetting.
New Speaker (00:16):
Come
out with the equation. Okay and I do not get involved. It is for the insurer
and
Speaker 2 (00:21):
See
what upset me about it. Yeah. I didn't want to cause so much problems for
anybody throughout all of this and throughout, in all of my recordings, I have
gave escape clause to everybody of how we can all resolve this with minimal
impact on the staff in that civic centre and on myself and my local neighbour,
like I, like it's easy for I've won every case already in the Court of Law, all
the, Asbo and Possession.
New Speaker (00:43):
You
have not told me how I can resolve this I have never heard that
New Speaker (00:44):
Well,
a couple of them a couple of. A couple of things that I wanted that I thought
could have been done is obviously like I have highlighted just slightly a
couple of issues in that respect, in that Asbo and I would have been happy for
somebody to go to the Court and just to get the Asbo revoked and basically all
you all.
New Speaker (01:07):
Right
OK it’s not anything to do with me
New Speaker (01:07):
I
want to do.
New Speaker (01:07):
It’s
not anything to do with me.
New Speaker (01:07):
Yeah
well, you’re not in trouble
Speaker 2 (01:11):
It’s
to do with other people.
New Speaker (01:11):
All
I want it to be done is I didn't want to get, I don't need Lemmy to go to
prison for a hundred years and I don't need myself to go through. I don't need to,
all of everyone in that civic centre to be in; even though some of them really
do deserve what happens, I was saying one of the easiest solutions anyone could
have done here is if I've won every case already, which the Council are a
hundred percent sure of, and I've suffered for a long period of time for
everything that I have won. The only one that never got revoked was the ASBOs.
And there's enough evidence on the table for the Council themselves to overview
the Asbo and to notice an error in it themselves, like Lemmy was begging after
he lost the possession order in the Court to have it reopened use lot can go to
the High bury Court and you can say that you've overseen the case, and you've
noticed an error yourselves in the case, and you can get the case revoked under
a simple term of an error. Now we just, because it's, once you've got that
error all you have to do is give the error to the insurance companies and that
I have suffered for eight years because of an error. And then I will be able to
resolve; get my life back on track. And there's minimal impact on your staff
and everybody else. And this, none of this would be necessary. I just wanted it
Speaker 1 (02:25):
That's
not for me to decide that though is it Mr. Cordell,
New Speaker (02:27):
I
understand that.
New Speaker (02:28):
I
can't decide that.
New Speaker (02:31):
I
understand that.
New Speaker (02:31):
It
would be for others in the council,
New Speaker (02:34):
Yeah,
I understand that.
New Speaker (02:34):
I
do understand what you're saying, but that's not something that is not my area
of expertise
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Jemmy
Chambers, and that could have overseen it but instead they block my phone and
not answered, they blocked my phone. There was something that was important. I
was going to explain to you, but it's clear, we've talked quite a lot,
New Speaker (02:52):
OK.
New Speaker (02:52):
quite
a lot. I thank you for your time and everything do you know.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I'm
sorry, Mr. Cordell can you just tell me what your phone number is because I
need to raise that with my IT department.
New Speaker (03:01):
I
have left it on all you.
New Speaker (03:01):
I
am not getting these messages,
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Uh,
um, one second, my telephone number is 07864.
New Speaker (03:21):
Yep.
New Speaker (03:21):
217.
New Speaker (03:21):
Hmm,
New Speaker (03:21):
519.
New Speaker (03:21):
519.
New Speaker (03:21):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
OK
because I need to raise that's with them because that is not right. You
shouldn't be leaving messages and me not getting them.
New Speaker (03:35):
OK.
New Speaker (03:35):
That's
not, that's not. Um, I'm going to send you an email in a moment, Mr. Cordell,
just to confirm we've had our telephone conversation today and to confirm what
I'm expecting from you tomorrow.
New Speaker (03:50):
Yeah
that understandable.
New Speaker (03:50):
If
you could get it to me. Tomorrow is fine. It's not a problem.
New Speaker (03:53):
I
will email you no matter what
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Ok.
New Speaker (03:55):
I
will get. I'll email you and I'll have that information over to you. And there
is something I want to explain to you because. Obviously something like this
can have a lot more work put into it like sort of thing continuously, but if I
can prove the aspects of what's happened and where the fraud has happen, I've
made; like, if you could get into the website for instance, and you went to,
um, inside the website, itself horrific corruption.com. I showed you about the
Audio.
New Speaker (04:23):
Hmm.
New Speaker (04:23):
And
that you can click on like the first Asbo and go below the first Asbo which if
you scroll down, you see an index for it. And you see like the transcribes and
that.
New Speaker (04:33):
Yeah,
I click on it and nothing happens
New Speaker (04:33):
Yeah.
Okay. Okay. Maybe now, but it is on and everyone else can get to it. But if you
went to like the newsroom also yeah, I've been showing my neighbours throughout
these different things that have been going on because I can put it on live
screen and shout out to them because I can do live video calls. If you click on
like the Newsroom and you will see a T like a horrific corruption news stream,
there's free lines at the bottom of that.
New Speaker (05:00):
No,
I don’t see it
New Speaker (05:00):
If
you click on the free lines. Okay I can understand that you can't at the moment,
but if you clicked on the 3 lines. Yeah. in the new stream room, there's loads
of videos in there, which I've been showcasing my evidence and showcasing
there's, there's videos in there with the answers. One that's called the
answers and that, and them videos show how all of the applications get ripped
apart and everything like that. So if you can get into the newsroom and the
newspaper room, both have their own TV screens in them there is 3 lines on the
TV screen, when you click them three lines, you can see all a load of videos,
which display, everything a lot easier and are a lot more short of what I can
prove with the documentation because I show my neighbour’s, I turn it all on to
put it on live stream, and these lot can all watch and log in and watch what's
going on and I pull all the files apart and show everything. So that's just
something that I've obviously I would like to make you aware of just in case
did manage to get into the website. And, but horrific corruption is H O R R I F
I C
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I've
got it here. It just says this just blocking on the world's news and current
affairs and I can see home page, newspaper, newsroom, Global news feed.
New Speaker (06:14):
Refresh
it maybe.
New Speaker (06:14):
about
us and some UK laws. There's a picture of a person looking at some
documentation, but it says crime scene and when an inspector clue. So, um, so I
can get into it. I just can't access any of the documents within it.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah.
Well, maybe I'll refresh the server in a minute and maybe in a little while or
tomorrow, that might be an issue that gets rectified but I don't see why that's
happening, but I'm going to look into that. Um, in general, I can prove what
the Lumina has done as well. She defrauded a load of paperwork while I was in
the hospital and chase for There's a bit more to what happened overseas, but I
know that you've been, it's been a lengthy conversation and I appreciate just
for your time so far, do you know today
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah.
Okay. So, let's; I will email you now just to say, you had a call.
New Speaker (07:04):
OK.
New Speaker (07:04):
And
what I'm expecting you to give me,
New Speaker (07:06):
OK.
New Speaker (07:06):
Then
you can let me know once that's, um, uh,
New Speaker (07:11):
Sorted
out I will look into it what’s happening
New Speaker (07:11):
Yes,
New Speaker (07:12):
Ok
and then I can send, it will be forwarded to our insurers and, and their
representative.
New Speaker (07:18):
Ok
that is better.
New Speaker (07:18):
They
will then look at the claim, um, uh, on the council's behalf. And I then just
step out of the equation.
New Speaker (07:25):
OK.
New Speaker (07:25):
Because
it's for the insurers to decide what they want to do with it. Okay.
New Speaker (07:31):
Okay.
New Speaker (07:31):
Alright
then well thank you madam.
New Speaker (07:31):
That's
brilliant. Okay. I'll email you now.
New Speaker (07:34):
Alright
then Thank you. I'll speak to you soon.
New Speaker (07:36):
Alright
bye.
New Speaker (07:36):
Okay.
Thanks Mr. Cordell Thanks. Bye.