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THE RECORDER: Yes. Fine.

MR KENNEDY: Well, sorry. Can I establish whether the Crown -- it’s set out in
one-line following caution - “You don’t know nothing. I was trying to get a job here.
You don’t understand, man.” That in a nutshell is his position.

THE RECORDER: Thank you.

MR KENNEDY: That he was going to see somebody ------ THE

RECORDER: Right.

MR KENNEDY: ---- about obtaining future work. My -----

THE RECORDER: I’ve got it. Mr Pottinger, is that accepted? So that in other words
what -- what we’re asking the Crown is do you accept that if in fact he was only going
to look for work, as he asserts, that he was covered?

MR POTTINGER: (After a long pause) I just (Inaudible). Not necessarily. I’m just
thinking whether -- whether that — because obviously it’s social, domestic, pleasure
and motor trade purposes. If -- if a man is driving round in rounds touting for work
with a van and cards for work ----------------

THE RECORDER: Well, this is what concerned me.

MR POTTINGER: And there are cards in the van. I am concerned. I’m not sure that

necessarily is .............

THE RECORDER: I have my cards in the car. It doesn’t mean I’m driving round
touting for work.

MR KENNEDY: Can I -- can I expand then. Not touting around looking for tradesman
work or — or the like but was going to see somebody at a building that was going to
be turned into a club, looking for a management role in the club.

THE RECORDER: Yes.

MR KENNEDY: That’s what we would say clearly. So it’s not — it’s not driving

around looking for handiwork. The Crown’s evidence seems — they’re — they’re
obviously not constrained by what’s simply in the one witness statement but it does
seem geared very much towards saying that he is a tradesman going about his daily
work.

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