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Q And it’s not true that he said he was going to do some work. He said he was going to
speak to someone about work? You had quite a conversation with him on the roadside. He
was explaining to you?
A (No audible reply)

Q Yes?
A I don’t recall the conversation we had, obviously the specifics of it, no.

Q You’ve told us about — do you remember that Mr Cordell spoke to the insurance
company first?
A No, I don’t recall that.

Q By the roadside what happens - see if this jogs your memory. Mr Cordell spoke to the
insurance company about the insurance, yes? And then you — and then you rang
subsequently. You were there when he rang them and then he was there when you rang
them there? Yes?
A I — I’m sure he probably was with me when I called them.

Q Yes. And you’ve gone about — on about him being unco-operative and so on. What
actually happened is he took affront to you ringing the insurance company and lying to
them about there being a load of tools in the van? Do you remember that?
A No. Unfortunately I do not recall that, no.

Q And he was saying “Why are you lying to the insurance company? Why are you saying
there’s tools in the van? There isn’t.” Do you remember that?
A No, I — I do not recall that, no.

Q That’s the exchange, I’d suggest, that you’re characterising as him being
uncooperative?
A (No audible reply)

Q Mm?

A Sorry, I’m -- is there a question?
Q That’s the position, isn’t it?
A No. I don’t recall that. My -- my — I suppose my position would be that obviously on
stopping the van I — I don’t recall exactly when in the sequence I’ve -- I’ve contacted the
insurance company. You see, I hadn’t searched the van, I suppose. I — I — you know, I’d
seen from a glance sort of loose items and debris in the - in the front of the van.

Q So you hadn’t searched the van?
A No, I don’t believe I had by the — when I was phoning the insurance company.

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