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THE               I’m jumping the gun. Thank you.
                 RECORDER:
                 MR                Well, I
                 POTTINGER:
                 THE               Over to you, Mr Pottinger.
                 RECORDER:
                 MR                I don’t - the -1 don’t - I
                 POTTINGER:
                 THE               If you call your evidence to show us that he was not
                 RECORDER:         covered and then we’ll take it from there.
                 MR                Well, we — we — we simply show what he was doing
                 POTTINGER:   at the time and what he said to the officer.
                 THE               Yes. And so, if you want to adduce your evidence that
                 RECORDER:         says that he was driving not in accordance with this
                                   policy, then we can get on with it, can’t we?
                 MR                Yes. I don’t know whether I’m being told I’ve been ~
                 POTTINGER:   I’ve made a concession which I haven’t necessarily
                                   made.
                 THE               All right.
                 RECORDER:
                 MR                That — that’s the point.
                 POTTINGER:
                 THE               Well, listen. I think I’m — I’m -- sort of jumping the
                 RECORDER:         gun here. We’re -- concerned about the civil aspect of
                                   this.
                 MR                Yes.
                 POTTINGER:
                 THE               And it may be that it will come to a position when in
                 RECORDER:         fact we can’t carry on. But from what I’ve heard from
                                   the two of you at the moment, let’s get on with it. And
                                   if it gets to that point and we think there’s been an
                                   injustice done because it needs more input from KGM,
                                   then we’ll say so. My concern is this -I’m quite frank -
                                   that I think this would be the simplest thing in the
                                   world to sort out, that somebody ought to get a letter
                                   from KGM and say “In the circumstances as told to us
                                   by Mr Cordell he is...” or “...isn’t covered.” If the
                                   Crown then say, “Well, what he’s telling them is a load
                                   of porky pies” then you have a case.
               7
               224,
                 MR                Yes.
                 POTTINGER:
                 THE               But without knowing the first part
                 RECORDER:
                 MR                Well, I’ve not seen anything and I — because I know
                 POTTINGER:        the officer rang the company and said he’s — he’s
                                   using it for work but — but clearly the — touting for
                                   work or whatever. I don’t know what the — what the
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