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position is as far as that’s concerned. That’s -- a matter
                                   for the defence to prove and at the moment they
                 MR                Well, I’m getting slightly lost here and it’s probably
                 KENNEDY:          my fault. My understanding of this case is this, that he
                                   has an insurance policy for that vehicle. It wouldn’t
                                   cover him if he were working. The Crown say that he
                                   was working.
                                   They’re — they’re about to call evidence to say so. His
                                   -- he says he wasn’t. He says that he was going to see
                                   somebody about future work and I don’t — as I
                                   understand it, I don’t think the Crown suggest that if
                                   his position is correct or cannot be disproven that they
                                   — that his insurance was invalid.
                 THE               That’s -- the point.
                 RECORDER:
                 MR                Yes.
                 POTTINGER:
                 THE               Are the — are the Crown taking that stance or not? Or
                 RECORDER:         are you saying, irrespective of what he says about it on
                                   that date now, and the Crown have the advantage of
                                   hearing what he said about it, presumably, at the court
                                   below, if your position is “We say, irrespective of what
                                   he said, he wasn’t insured” then we need to sort that
                                   out. If you say — if you accept his version of events,
                                   “We accept he was insured” then we can bat on. Or we
                                   can bat on anyway.
                 MR                Yes.
                 POTTINGER:
                 THE               But the point about it is all I’m trying to do is pre-
                 RECORDER:         empty
                 MR                Yes.
                 POTTINGER:
                 THE               a situation where we suddenly have to start making
                 RECORDER:    enquiries from an insurance company. But all we’re
                                   doing in fact is chewing the breeze and wasting time.
                                   MR POTTINGER:
                 THE               Yes.
                 RECORDER:
                 MR                So, let’s get on with it.
                 POTTINGER:
                 MR                Well, let’s just carry on.
                 POTTINGER:
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               225,
                 THE               Yes. Fine.
                 RECORDER:
                 MR                Well, sorry. Can I establish whether the Crown -- it’s
                 KENNEDY:          set out in one-line following caution - “You don’t
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