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obviously suspecting that Mr Cordell wasn’t actually
covered to drive the vehicle on his policy that he produced.
Q Just tell us what Mr Cordell’s appearance was, please, that
day? What was he wearing?
B
A In essence both Mr Cordell but also his -- colleague or his
partner, the passenger in the vehicle, they were both sort of
wearing working clothes covered in sort of paint and dirt
which again gave me sort of cause to suspect that they
were out to do some work for business.
C
Q What was the -- what was in the vehicle? What was the
condition of the vehicle?
A It was, I suppose, what I might describe as just an average
kind of builder’s sort of transit van, loose sort of debris,
loose items and general dirt in the footwell area and over
the dashboard. In the front of the van also was quite a
number of business cards and those business cards had the
names Simon and Dean on there, a sort of D company
name or a trading name of TS Enterprise and it also on that
card offered a range of services including general repairs,
painting and decorating, man & van, removals, cleaning
and property maintenance services.
Q And so it’s Simon Cordell, Dean Reid? That was the
names of the two?
A Yes.
E I think you then pointed -- is that right? You then took the
view that they were driving without valid insurance for —
for the purpose? Is that right?
Q Yes. That’s the view I formed. I obviously suspected it
already but kind of at that point I was -- yes, I pointed out
the offence of driving without insurance.
A
F And you cautioned him? Is that right?
Q Yes, I did.
A And what did he say in reply to the caution?
Q He said, “Nah, you don’t know nothing. I was trying to get
a job here. You don’t understand me.”
A What -- had you proposed to do as far as the offence was
concerned?
Q Basically I would have issued a fixed penalty notice and
obviously seized the vehicle also.
H
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Q Without going into detail, were you — were you able
to issue the ticket at the time?
A Not initially, no.