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He had scruffy jeans on but he didn’t have workmen’s
                               clothing?
                 A             Well, I — I can’t recall the exact clothing but he looked to
                               me like a builder from the paint, the — the dirt on his
                               clothes.
                 Q             But we’ve got no description of the clothing really, have
                               we?
                 A             If I just refer to my notes. Yes. In my statement all I — all
                               I say is that they were dressed in clothing covered with
                               paint and other dirt.
                 Q             Jeans, overalls, colour?
                 A             I don’t recall.
                 Q             This was a point you raised with him by the roadside and
                               he explained to you that these weren’t his — these weren’t
                               working clothes. Do you recall that?
                 A             No, I don’t recall that, no.
                 Q             The cards that you rely on to -- that informed your
                               thinking. Did you seize any of these cards?
                 A             Yes, I did seize one of those business cards.
                 Q             Have you got it?
                 A             No. Unfortunately, I do not have it with me.
                 Q             Why not?
                 A             I was unable to obtain it from the property store at
                               Kennington police station.
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                 Q                Again this was a point that you raised with Mr Cordell
                                  by the roadside and he explained how the card wasn’t
                                  for him working as a tradesman, rather that he has a
                                  company which acts as a middleman for tradesmen and
                                  that’s why his name was on the card. Do you remember
                                  that?
                 A                No, I do not recall that.
                 Q                So we’ve got the time of the day, you’ve got his
                                  clothing, you’ve got the cards. Anything else?
                 A                And his initial comment of course.
                 Q                Workmen often, tradesmen, will carry tools around in a
                                  van, won’t they?
                 A                Yes. Often.
                 Q                Any tools?
                 A                Not that I recall, no.
                 Q                There’s no reference to tools in your statement, is
                                  there?
                 A                No.
                 Q                I think you were asked about this at the Magistrates’
                                  Court. There’s no secret. This matter has been before
                                  the Magistrates’ Court. And I think it’s right you gave
                                  the same answer you’ve just given; you don’t recall
                                  there being any tools?
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