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Q Yes. And we went through that you had outlined the
factors informing your view that these people were
working? Yes?
A Yes.
Q Obviously, tools in the van would be an obvious
indicator of that?
Yes?
A Yes.
Q No reference in your statement to tools?
A No. No reference to tools.
Q No reference to tools in the Magistrates’ Court?
Yes?
A No. Yes, correct.
Q On the scene there you’re ringing up the insurance
company saying there’s a load of tools in there - “It’s
got a load of tools in”?
A (No audible reply)
Q You — you were dishonest in your dealings with Mr
Cordell, weren’t you?
A Well, I don’t believe I was, no.
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Q And it’s not true that he said he was going to do some
work. He said he was going to speak to someone about
work? You had quite a conversation with him on the
roadside. He was explaining to you?
A (No audible reply)
Q Yes?
A I don’t recall the conversation we had, obviously the
specifics of it, no.
Q You’ve told us about — do you remember that Mr Cordell
spoke to the insurance company first?
A No, I don’t recall that.
Q By the roadside what happens - see if this jogs your
memory. Mr Cordell spoke to the insurance company
about the insurance, yes?
And then you — and then you rang subsequently. You
were there when he rang them and then he was there when
you rang them there?
Yes?
A I — I’m sure he probably was with me when I called them.
Q Yes. And you’ve gone about — on about him being un-co-
operative and so on. What actually happened is he took
affront to you ringing the insurance company and lying to
them about there being a load of tools in the van?
Do you remember that?
A No. Unfortunately, I do not recall that, no.
Q And he was saying “Why are you lying to the insurance
company?